ratings are based not just on presentation style but also on technical content, speakers (apparent) knowledge on the subject being presented, quality of presentation materials and I can't remember what else.
rating cards also include a section for comments. --- "MacGregor, Ian A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'll bet a dynamic animated speaker chockful of amusing anecdotes > whose presentation is technically weak scores better than a plodding > monotonous one with better information to convey :) Especialy if the > audience is composed of nascent DBA's :) > > Ian MacGregor > Stanford Linear Accelerator Center > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -----Original Message----- > Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 5:09 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > one being a marketing venue, the other being a place where you can > learn from ohers experiences. > > and to clarify further, if you are a lousy presenter, giving bad > information, you get horrible scores and, since the selection process > is not blind, don't get asked back to present again. > > So having a list of many presentations, at various conferences, can > be > an indicator of knowledge. > > > --- "Karniotis, Stephen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Let me clarify something. It was at Oracle Open World, not IOUG-A > > Live > > where these presentations were made. Please do not confuse the > two!! > > > > Thank You > > > > Stephen P. Karniotis > > Product Architect > > Compuware Corporation > > Direct: (248) 865-4350 > > Mobile: (248) 408-2918 > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Web: www.compuware.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 5:41 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Subject: RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again > > > > A tip o' the hat to all authors and presenters. However writing a > > book > > makes no one an expert on anything. There are Oracle books > > containing > > fabulous stories of what happens when a tablespace is put in backup > > mode, > > and while quite entertaining they do not further a correct > > understanding of > > Oracle. Authors take the time to put what they believe to be true > on > > paper. > > It's often what they have been told, not what they have learned on > > their > > own. Richard Niemiec's sp? tuning books have been trashed recently > > because > > they tout buffer hit ratios; however there was a consensus in the > > Oracle > > community that these were important. It took Cary Millsap's paper > > and a new > > tuning paradigm introduced by Gaja Vaidyanatha, Kirtikumar > Deshpande, > > and > > John Kostelac Jr. to direct us to something more useful. > Personally, > > I was > > using wait events before Gaja's book, but I was also trying to keep > > the hit > > ratio's high as a part of the "consensus". If I had written a book > > before > > seeing Cary's paper! > > ! > > , it > > would have touted hit ratios. I don't believe "Oracle 101 > > Performance > > Tuning" is a perfect book; it doesn't properly address data > > collection > > needs. > > > > Why would authorship and presentations be worth more than an OCP? > > The OCP > > says that you have achieved a standard. One can debate whether > that > > standard has any meaning. There is no standard at all for > > authors/presenters. It does seem however that many OCP holders > know > > far > > less than their certificate would indicate, and some authors are > more > > expert > > than their books convey. A good author of Oracle tomes and > > presentations > > needs a clearer understanding of the subject matter than an OCP. > > Good > > authors hold themselves to higher standards than needed to be > called > > an OCP. > > I just want to point out that not all authors are good authors, and > > that > > there are OCP holders who have not written books that are as if not > > more > > knowlegeable than most authors. There are people who have done > > neither who > > know as much if not more than both. > > > > The OCM was introduced for two reasons. Oracle is in business to > > make money > > and wanted another revenue stream, and the standards one must meet > to > > become > > an OCP were being questioned. Unfortunately at last years IOUG-A > > conference the six people who were given their OCM's were touted as > > the six > > most knowledgeable Oracle experts in th world. The awardees did > not > > include > > Gaja, nor Kirti, nor Anjo Kolk, nor Steve Adams, nor Jonathan > Lewis, > > nor Guy > > Harrison, nor Larry Elkins... Indeed only one person on the > awarded > > the > > OCM would I have placed in any top six list, and that's Paul Dorsey > > who is > > extremely knowlegeable concerning Oracle's development tools. > There > > were > > some awardees I know nothing about. Despite this over-the-top > > rollout, the > > OCM under proper care could become a certification with real > meaning, > > by > > that I mean more important than being an author or a presenter > > > > > > Ian MacGregor > > Stanford Linear Acclerator Center > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 11:17 AM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > Rachel has really baiting me on this one, as she is well aware of > my > > position on certifications, especially Oracle's. I watched some of > > this > > thread start and laughed. > > > > Vendor-sponsored certifications are no more valuable to the > > marketplace than > > the software they claim is 100% bug free. This is especially true > > when the > > vendor "pushes" the certification out to the market for next to > > nothing and > > then complains that the industry sees no value in it because > SOOOOOO > > many > > people have it. Who's to blame for that. Why do you think > Microsoft > > reduced the number of organizations that offer MCS* certifications? > > > There > > are TOOOO MANY. Our company offered MCS* certifications, including > a > > complete training program, as required and it brought NO VALUE. > > > > Look at companies like Novell, etc. Originally, Novel's > > certifications, > > CNA, CNE, & CNAE, were offered at a high cost and only the few and > > proud had > > obtained it. The original certification exams, CSP, CCP, etc. that > > were > > offered by third-party institutes have also lost their value as > > anyone with > > a book and time can pass them. It's too bad because certifications > > DID mean > > something in the 1980s and early 1990s. > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists -------------------------------------------------------------------- To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
