Jay,
Remind the management that in the future there might also ba a change
of hardware and then the backups on tape could possible be useless and
unreadable by the new tape drives. If possible save the data to a text
delimited file and save the file. That wouls insure you that you would
always be able to at least read the information if needed.
I have a lot of data( from 1993- to - today) that someday will be
archived , I hope, and I can remove from the system. I will be saving it
in text format in CD's so it can be accessed if needed. We also are
changing to a new server and OS format. The old backup tapes are scrap
now.
Planning on your part could be very helpfull down the road.
Ron
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Well, if worst comes to worst we can always install an earlier version
on a
box and import it there.
But the reason we can't get more storage approved still has me shaking
my
head...
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Jay,
just make sure you are not around when, after several Oracle upgrades,
and
they want to "import" one of these files back that they discover that
the
current release of import can no longer read the older version of the
.dmp
file.
now what are these senior damagers going to do? blame the DBA, that's
what!
duck and cover... duck and cover...
Tom Mercadante
Oracle Certified Professional
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FWIW, what we just implemented (because senior management refuses to
approve
additional storage on the grounds that "making the database larger
will
affect performance" - aaargh!) is
1) Confirmed with business how long data needs to be online for
various
tables (they're all partitioned so that makes it a lot easier)
2) Export partitions older than that once/month (this is generated off
a
table that lists each partitioned table and how long data should be
kep)
3) After confirming that all export files are valid we drop the old
partitions (this will be done by script but is being done manually for
the
first few months)
4) Leave dmp files on server for 2 end of months (our end of month
backup
tapes are stored for 7 years)
5) Maintain a table in database saying what exported partitions are on
what
date's tapes
And I really long for the days in this company when senior management
made
technical decisions by asking the technical people instead of just
making
things up...
Jay Miller
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Someone asked about this 3 weeks ago. Here's my take
on archiving data. I don't expect everyone to agree with this,
but nonetheless, I have an opinion. :)
Here's an email from last month. You can undoubtedly find
some other ideas on this by searching the archives of this
list at fatcity.com
Jared
==================================================
I'm not a proponent of purging data.
Unless of course, you expect to never see it again.
That word 'archive' rolls of the tongues of managers
and consultants pretty easily, but what's behind it?
There are a few gotchas with purging and archiving.
Let's assume you have some 3 year old data that
you need to see again, and it has been purged.
Here are some of the possible problems:
* Your backup tapes are corrupted
* Your new backup hardware can't read the old tapes
* Your software no longer understands the format that
the data is in.
* You have the correct software, but it won't work on the
current version of OS on your hardware.
* The data format/software/whatever is not well documented
* The employees that understood the data 3 years ago
have been laid off.
* ... lots more stuff
Read Bryon Bergeron's "Dark Ages II: When the Digital Data Die"
http://www.powells.com/cgi-bin/biblio?inkey=2-0130661074-0
Perhaps much better than archiving the data, is to stick with the
idea of moving it to another database, and using lots of cheap
disk storage (NAS) or a heirarchical file system to store it.
The point being that if it's online somewhere, it will be maintained.
Don't purge it till Finance, HR, the IRS and any other stakeholder
says it's ok. Only then purge it and archive it to offline tape with
the
knowledge that you may never see that data again.
Jared
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Dear List,
I need some inputs from you all regarding purging data from the
database.
This is the requirement
We define a retention period for all the data in the system.
When the retention period is reached, the data should be deleted, but
then at a later time, some user might request for this purged data. So
it
must be possible to retrieve this data.
This is the strategy we have designed for this.
When the retention period is reached, move the data from the main
database
to an offline database. Then delete the data from the main database.
In the offline database, we cannot again keep it from long, so it has
to
moved to tapes. Now my question, how can we move this data to tapes and
at
the same time retrieve data from the tapes based on dates.
i.e, the user will ask for the data on a particular date, so it must be
possible to retrieve data from the tapes based on a date and load it to
the database tables.
Regards
Prem
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