Brown-nosing a bit eh? Rachel may be a fine DBA, but a scientist, I think not. I also have a problem with social scientists A hard science bias I not only admit, but proclaim. You forgot to mention Heddy Lamar. Few would call her dorky. Her work on frequency-hopping communications is well recognized.
Ian MacGregor -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 7:39 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L cool female scientists: Grace Hopper, Sally Ride, Ellen Ochoa, Margaret Mead, Rachel Carmichael, Marie Curie, Mae Jemison, Maria Mitchell where's that spotlight? ;) -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 8:34 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I'd venture a guess that if it were a requirement there would be fewer girl scouts. Girls join girl scouts to have fun, and I think that they would perceive any requirement as an impediment to their fun, especially something "dorky". I agree that it is an image thing. We need some cool female scientists in the spotlight, don't we? -----Original Message----- Carmichael Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 8:54 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dorky rules :) It's sad that there isn't a requirement for the science/math activities in the Girl Scouts. The problem is that society in general doesn't show images of science as being "cool" and definitely doesn't show images of women as scientists. Or at least, not enough images. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Dennis, > > I think that the article is correct that girls and teens are sensitive > to > the "geek stigma factor". Even in our 10-year-old Girl Scout > troop, the > girls are already concerned about their images and not being too > "dorky". We have many more girls vote for activities involving animals > and crafts > than activities centered on math and science. The votes are usually > about > 8 to 1 with only one or two girls voting to do the math or science > activities. Pretty sad, especially considering that the Girl Scouts > organization tries really hard to push those technical and > math/science > programs and make them interesting and fun. > > The 25% number cited in the article for women in the IT sector seems > pretty close to the number that we have show up at our local Oracle > User's Group > meeting. I think that the participation by women in our user's > group has > increased steadily in the last 10 years. > > Perhaps more women are drawn to database work than IT in general as it > tends to be more administrative than say, programming. > > I'd also have to say that in many cases, being an Oracle DBA can be > pretty grueling for those with families and for women with families in > particular. > > Cherie Machler > Oracle DBA > Gelco Information Network > > > > > DENNIS WILLIAMS > > <DWILLIAMS@LIFE To: Multiple recipients > of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > TOUCH.COM> cc: > > Sent by: Subject: Orawomen > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > m > > > > > > 01/07/03 05:11 > > PM > > Please respond > > to ORACLE-L > > > > > > > > > > Recently this list had a discussion of female Oracle DBAs. The > consensus was > that the numbers were increasing, which I view as a good thing. Here > is an > article with industry statistics saying that the number of women in > IT is > decreasing. > http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/career/article.php/1564501 > Any theories? > > Dennis Williams > DBA, 40%OCP > Lifetouch, Inc. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the > name of mailing list you want to be removed from). 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