Thanks, that got me happy since I do have a couple years of windows experience ;) So now, i have 1 vote for oracle 8i and one for 9i. Any other opinions? ----- Original Message ----- To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 1:54 PM
> Les - Oh you wanted the hard questions answered as well. Given that you > mentioned you were a MS sys admin, I'd say that would give you a leg up. A > lot of shops have combined DBA/Sys admins for MS. That might be your easiest > transition. I hate to say this, especially on this list, but you may want to > look at adding MS SQL certification just to give you more options, like the > target employer might have Oracle and MS SQL. Depending on your salary > demands, your chances of getting on as a newbie DBA are probably okay. A lot > depends on your networking ability, good resume, no criminal record that can > be easily traced ;-), good personal hygiene, charm in interviews, > persistence, and just plain luck. > The ecommerce side has had a real dose of reality in the last couple of > years, but is still there. Consider just getting some Oracle experience and > then moving over to ecommerce. Most companies still have some type of > ecommerce area. Otherwise, in your spare time, learn everything you can > about ecommerce from the marketing drivel down to HTML. > These are obviously not well-informed opinions, but worth every penny you > paid ;-) > > Dennis Williams > DBA, 40%OCP, 100% DBA > Lifetouch, Inc. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -----Original Message----- > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 3:19 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Thanks for the replies guys, I really appreciate it. Can i get some input > on these 2 questions: > > What chances am I looking at to > > getting hired as a newbie DBA once I graduate? > > > > I want to get into the Ecommerce side of Oracle (connecting DBs to > > websites/portals?). Which certification/path should I be > > following? Thanks in advance!! > > THANKS, I'M STARTING TO LIKE THIS LIST ALREADY!!!!! > > ----- Original Message ----- > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 12:35 PM > > > > Les - Here is an idea for you. Think up a trivial application for a > > database. Maybe your home albums or DVDs. Try to make it a little > > relational, like have an "artist" table. Force yourself to work with it. > At > > the right time I was secretary of a bowling league, so each year I rewrote > a > > league management program in a different language, whatever I needed to > > learn. I went through Oracle, COBOL, Perl, C, all in different years. The > > point is that by playing "user" you get a good feel for why the heck > > somebody would use a database to begin with. > > > > > > > > Dennis Williams > > DBA, 40%OCP, 100% DBA > > Lifetouch, Inc. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -----Original Message----- > > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 2:00 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm more of a windoz SA and have been working with a little Unix here & > > there for hte past 2yrs.... (RH, Mandrake, Solaris). What I really want > to > > accomplish is to switch to Unix and Databases. My goal is to use my > > certifcation as a way to get my foot in the door of the DB world and after > a > > couple of years, do some consulting. I downloaded oracle 9i for Solaris > and > > have yet to install it because I wanted to read up on Oracle 1st. Will > > install it this weekend ;) > > > > I want to work with DBs because I think it's always going to be about > > managing information and the need is never going to die. I don't know of > > any midsize companies who would survive w/o some type of DB and after > being > > laid off twice, I'm reconsidering going into a different IT career. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > To: Multiple <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 8:34 AM > > > > > > The $3000 is true if he takes them through 'oracle' university but not if > > the local community college offers the classes. > > > > What I did (and it seemed to work fine) for my 8i certification is to go > to > > the community college bookstore and just buy the 'official' manuals and > > never signed up for the classes. I was lucky enough to already have a jr > > dba position so I was getting the real-world experience and I had a fairly > > decent idea of how oracle worked at a very basic level. (although I will > > say that my confidence in what I know has dropped dramatically in the last > > several months since I joined this list and began reading book's such as > > steve adams' 'oracle internals' and jonathan lewis's 'oracle 8i building > > efficient databases'...which has spawned an enormous interest in > continuing > > to improve my knowledge of all things oracle) > > > > What really, really erks me is the fact that these certifications have > been > > cheapened by people who relay specific test questions and even entire > exams > > over the internet. People should be in it for the knowledge....not just to > > get that certificate. I'd be scared sh#tless if I found a job where I > > pretended to be a dba and justified it by my certification only to be > given > > actual dba responsibilities. ...i'd rather work at a coffee shop and not > > have to deal with the stress (but that's just me) > > > > Anyways, I'm rambling now. > > > > Chris > > > > Oh yeah....a BIG OL THANKS to the pros on this list that put up with > > questions from people like me! Your knowledge is GREATLY appreciated. > > > > Have a good one. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 9:49 AM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > 9i will cost you more in the long run because you have to take 4 exams > > at $150 each plus a $3000 course to get OCP. > > > > 8i then upgrade to 9i will cost you less but requires you to take up > > to 6 exams at $150 each but no more $3000 course. > > > > -- > > Lyndon Tiu > > > > > > Quoting Les Ayudo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I'm thinking of going to school to get Oracle certified. There are > > > 2 schools in my area that are offering Oracle certs but one offers > > > Oracle 8i courses w/ an upgrade to 9i, while the other offers all > > > 9i courses. If i go to the schools who offers 9i courses, would I > > > miss out on valuable 8i knowledge? Which school should I attend? > > > The courses will last about 7 or 8 months. Also, is this a good > > > "in demand" field to get into? What chances am I looking at to > > > getting hired as a newbie DBA once I graduate? > > > > > > I want to get into the Ecommerce side of Oracle (connecting DBs to > > > websites/portals?). Which certification/path should I be > > > following? Thanks in advance!! > > > > > > > > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > <http://www.orafaq.net> > > -- > > Author: Lyndon Tiu > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > <http://www.fatcity.com> > > San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > -- > > Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > > > > > > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Les Ayudo > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). 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