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I'm going to go ahead w/ the Oracle 8i course. I spoke w/ the course instructor and he also advised me to take the 8i course because Oracle8i is what is out there. So my question is:Should I install Oracle 8i or 9i at home? What would u guys do? I would love to learn both. ----- Original Message ----- To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 5:23 AM > hello > > ... and offers more features like xml database, bulk query, can be set compatible to 8i, ... > > if you can choose take 9i. that's what we did. > > BUT: nothing is flawless. Be prepared for patches and "pitfalls" - even in 9i rel 2. > > We run 9i and 8i on NT5 and Solaris 8 and 9 and linux. patches and pitfalls in the UNIX world are almost the same, little differences to the NT world. > > > Apologies for any typing mistakes I failed to notice. > > > Markus Reger > > Oracle Applications DBA > Webmaster > MBC > > University for Music and Performing Art > Vienna > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/16/03 06:05 AM >>> > If its just the basic's I think 9i is actually easier than the older > versions. For example using Undo Management instead of trying to learn the > use of Rollback segments. Of course with Oracle (like most vendors) you can > get bogged down when the kitchen sink has been tossed at you on the install > CD's. It can seem overwhelming. > > > >From: "Les Ayudo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: Oracle 8i or 9i ? > >Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 17:33:39 -0800 > > > >Is 9i a lot more difficult to learn than 8i? Can i use what I learned on 8i > >on 9i? > > > >--pachanga > >----- Original Message ----- > >To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 2:43 PM > > > > > > > Les, > > > > > > Something to consider on which to choose is the market pentration for 9i > > > implementations. I work for a large insurance company which has zero 9i > > > implementations. In fact as far as I know the key system I work on will > > > probably be the first one (Oracle 7.3.4 -> 9i) going in Q3/Q4. Most of > >our > > > systems are 8 with some on 8i. Clients are funny in not wanting to part > >with > > > money to perform database upgrades. If they don't see any benefit from > >it. > > > > > > On that basis, you might want to consider at least learning something > >about > > > 8i as it would be very likely you would run into a client that is using > >it. > > > Though going the 8i classes then upgrading to 9i does feel like a lot of > > > work. Something I hate. :-) > > > > > > David Davis > > > Manulife Financial > > > > > > > > > >From: "Les Ayudo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Subject: Re: Oracle 8i or 9i ? > > > >Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 15:53:46 -0800 > > > > > > > >Thanks, that got me happy since I do have a couple years of windows > > > >experience ;) > > > >So now, i have 1 vote for oracle 8i and one for 9i. Any other > >opinions? > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 1:54 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Les - Oh you wanted the hard questions answered as well. Given that > >you > > > > > mentioned you were a MS sys admin, I'd say that would give you a leg > >up. > > > >A > > > > > lot of shops have combined DBA/Sys admins for MS. That might be your > > > >easiest > > > > > transition. I hate to say this, especially on this list, but you may > > > >want > > > >to > > > > > look at adding MS SQL certification just to give you more options, > >like > > > >the > > > > > target employer might have Oracle and MS SQL. Depending on your > >salary > > > > > demands, your chances of getting on as a newbie DBA are probably > >okay. > >A > > > >lot > > > > > depends on your networking ability, good resume, no criminal record > >that > > > >can > > > > > be easily traced ;-), good personal hygiene, charm in interviews, > > > > > persistence, and just plain luck. > > > > > The ecommerce side has had a real dose of reality in the last > >couple > > > >of > > > > > years, but is still there. Consider just getting some Oracle > >experience > > > >and > > > > > then moving over to ecommerce. Most companies still have some type > >of > > > > > ecommerce area. Otherwise, in your spare time, learn everything you > >can > > > > > about ecommerce from the marketing drivel down to HTML. > > > > > These are obviously not well-informed opinions, but worth every > >penny > > > >you > > > > > paid ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Dennis Williams > > > > > DBA, 40%OCP, 100% DBA > > > > > Lifetouch, Inc. > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 3:19 PM > > > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the replies guys, I really appreciate it. Can i get some > > > >input > > > > > on these 2 questions: > > > > > > > > > > What chances am I looking at to > > > > > > getting hired as a newbie DBA once I graduate? > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to get into the Ecommerce side of Oracle (connecting DBs to > > > > > > websites/portals?). Which certification/path should I be > > > > > > following? Thanks in advance!! > > > > > > > > > > THANKS, I'M STARTING TO LIKE THIS LIST ALREADY!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 12:35 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Les - Here is an idea for you. Think up a trivial application for > >a > > > > > > database. Maybe your home albums or DVDs. Try to make it a little > > > > > > relational, like have an "artist" table. Force yourself to work > >with > > > >it. > > > > > At > > > > > > the right time I was secretary of a bowling league, so each year I > > > >rewrote > > > > > a > > > > > > league management program in a different language, whatever I > >needed > > > >to > > > > > > learn. I went through Oracle, COBOL, Perl, C, all in different > >years. > > > >The > > > > > > point is that by playing "user" you get a good feel for why the > >heck > > > > > > somebody would use a database to begin with. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dennis Williams > > > > > > DBA, 40%OCP, 100% DBA > > > > > > Lifetouch, Inc. > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 2:00 PM > > > > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm more of a windoz SA and have been working with a little Unix > >here > > > >& > > > > > > there for hte past 2yrs.... (RH, Mandrake, Solaris). What I > >really > > > >want > > > > > to > > > > > > accomplish is to switch to Unix and Databases. My goal is to use > >my > > > > > > certifcation as a way to get my foot in the door of the DB world > >and > > > >after > > > > > a > > > > > > couple of years, do some consulting. I downloaded oracle 9i for > > > >Solaris > > > > > and > > > > > > have yet to install it because I wanted to read up on Oracle 1st. > > > >Will > > > > > > install it this weekend ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to work with DBs because I think it's always going to be > >about > > > > > > managing information and the need is never going to die. I don't > >know > > > >of > > > > > > any midsize companies who would survive w/o some type of DB and > >after > > > > > being > > > > > > laid off twice, I'm reconsidering going into a different IT > >career. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > To: Multiple <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> recipients of list > > > >ORACLE-L > > > > > > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 8:34 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The $3000 is true if he takes them through 'oracle' university but > >not > > > >if > > > > > > the local community college offers the classes. > > > > > > > > > > > > What I did (and it seemed to work fine) for my 8i certification is > >to > > > >go > > > > > to > > > > > > the community college bookstore and just buy the 'official' > >manuals > > > >and > > > > > > never signed up for the classes. I was lucky enough to already > >have > >a > > > >jr > > > > > > dba position so I was getting the real-world experience and I had > >a > > > >fairly > > > > > > decent idea of how oracle worked at a very basic level. (although > >I > > > >will > > > > > > say that my confidence in what I know has dropped dramatically in > >the > > > >last > > > > > > several months since I joined this list and began reading book's > >such > > > >as > > > > > > steve adams' 'oracle internals' and jonathan lewis's 'oracle 8i > > > >building > > > > > > efficient databases'...which has spawned an enormous interest in > > > > > continuing > > > > > > to improve my knowledge of all things oracle) > > > > > > > > > > > > What really, really erks me is the fact that these certifications > >have > > > > > been > > > > > > cheapened by people who relay specific test questions and even > >entire > > > > > exams > > > > > > over the internet. People should be in it for the knowledge....not > > > >just > > > >to > > > > > > get that certificate. I'd be scared sh#tless if I found a job > >where > >I > > > > > > pretended to be a dba and justified it by my certification only to > >be > > > > > given > > > > > > actual dba responsibilities. ...i'd rather work at a coffee shop > >and > > > >not > > > > > > have to deal with the stress (but that's just me) > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyways, I'm rambling now. > > > > > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh yeah....a BIG OL THANKS to the pros on this list that put up > >with > > > > > > questions from people like me! Your knowledge is GREATLY > >appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > > > Have a good one. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 9:49 AM > > > > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > > > > > > > 9i will cost you more in the long run because you have to take 4 > >exams > > > > > > at $150 each plus a $3000 course to get OCP. > > > > > > > > > > > > 8i then upgrade to 9i will cost you less but requires you to take > >up > > > > > > to 6 exams at $150 each but no more $3000 course. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Lyndon Tiu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting Les Ayudo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm thinking of going to school to get Oracle certified. There > >are > > > > > > > 2 schools in my area that are offering Oracle certs but one > >offers > > > > > > > Oracle 8i courses w/ an upgrade to 9i, while the other offers > >all > > > > > > > 9i courses. If i go to the schools who offers 9i courses, would > >I > > > > > > > miss out on valuable 8i knowledge? Which school should I > >attend? > > > > > > > The courses will last about 7 or 8 months. Also, is this a good > > > > > > > "in demand" field to get into? What chances am I looking at to > > > > > > > getting hired as a newbie DBA once I graduate? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to get into the Ecommerce side of Oracle (connecting DBs > >to > > > > > > > websites/portals?). Which certification/path should I be > > > > > > > following? 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