Is 9i a lot more difficult to learn than 8i? Can i use what I learned on 8i on 9i?
--pachanga ----- Original Message ----- To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 2:43 PM > Les, > > Something to consider on which to choose is the market pentration for 9i > implementations. I work for a large insurance company which has zero 9i > implementations. In fact as far as I know the key system I work on will > probably be the first one (Oracle 7.3.4 -> 9i) going in Q3/Q4. Most of our > systems are 8 with some on 8i. Clients are funny in not wanting to part with > money to perform database upgrades. If they don't see any benefit from it. > > On that basis, you might want to consider at least learning something about > 8i as it would be very likely you would run into a client that is using it. > Though going the 8i classes then upgrading to 9i does feel like a lot of > work. Something I hate. :-) > > David Davis > Manulife Financial > > > >From: "Les Ayudo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: Oracle 8i or 9i ? > >Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 15:53:46 -0800 > > > >Thanks, that got me happy since I do have a couple years of windows > >experience ;) > >So now, i have 1 vote for oracle 8i and one for 9i. Any other opinions? > >----- Original Message ----- > >To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 1:54 PM > > > > > > > Les - Oh you wanted the hard questions answered as well. Given that you > > > mentioned you were a MS sys admin, I'd say that would give you a leg up. > >A > > > lot of shops have combined DBA/Sys admins for MS. That might be your > >easiest > > > transition. I hate to say this, especially on this list, but you may > >want > >to > > > look at adding MS SQL certification just to give you more options, like > >the > > > target employer might have Oracle and MS SQL. Depending on your salary > > > demands, your chances of getting on as a newbie DBA are probably okay. A > >lot > > > depends on your networking ability, good resume, no criminal record that > >can > > > be easily traced ;-), good personal hygiene, charm in interviews, > > > persistence, and just plain luck. > > > The ecommerce side has had a real dose of reality in the last couple > >of > > > years, but is still there. Consider just getting some Oracle experience > >and > > > then moving over to ecommerce. Most companies still have some type of > > > ecommerce area. Otherwise, in your spare time, learn everything you can > > > about ecommerce from the marketing drivel down to HTML. > > > These are obviously not well-informed opinions, but worth every penny > >you > > > paid ;-) > > > > > > Dennis Williams > > > DBA, 40%OCP, 100% DBA > > > Lifetouch, Inc. > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 3:19 PM > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the replies guys, I really appreciate it. Can i get some > >input > > > on these 2 questions: > > > > > > What chances am I looking at to > > > > getting hired as a newbie DBA once I graduate? > > > > > > > > I want to get into the Ecommerce side of Oracle (connecting DBs to > > > > websites/portals?). Which certification/path should I be > > > > following? Thanks in advance!! > > > > > > THANKS, I'M STARTING TO LIKE THIS LIST ALREADY!!!!! > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 12:35 PM > > > > > > > > > > Les - Here is an idea for you. Think up a trivial application for a > > > > database. Maybe your home albums or DVDs. Try to make it a little > > > > relational, like have an "artist" table. Force yourself to work with > >it. > > > At > > > > the right time I was secretary of a bowling league, so each year I > >rewrote > > > a > > > > league management program in a different language, whatever I needed > >to > > > > learn. I went through Oracle, COBOL, Perl, C, all in different years. > >The > > > > point is that by playing "user" you get a good feel for why the heck > > > > somebody would use a database to begin with. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dennis Williams > > > > DBA, 40%OCP, 100% DBA > > > > Lifetouch, Inc. > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 2:00 PM > > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm more of a windoz SA and have been working with a little Unix here > >& > > > > there for hte past 2yrs.... (RH, Mandrake, Solaris). What I really > >want > > > to > > > > accomplish is to switch to Unix and Databases. My goal is to use my > > > > certifcation as a way to get my foot in the door of the DB world and > >after > > > a > > > > couple of years, do some consulting. I downloaded oracle 9i for > >Solaris > > > and > > > > have yet to install it because I wanted to read up on Oracle 1st. > >Will > > > > install it this weekend ;) > > > > > > > > I want to work with DBs because I think it's always going to be about > > > > managing information and the need is never going to die. I don't know > >of > > > > any midsize companies who would survive w/o some type of DB and after > > > being > > > > laid off twice, I'm reconsidering going into a different IT career. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > To: Multiple <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> recipients of list > >ORACLE-L > > > > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 8:34 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > The $3000 is true if he takes them through 'oracle' university but not > >if > > > > the local community college offers the classes. > > > > > > > > What I did (and it seemed to work fine) for my 8i certification is to > >go > > > to > > > > the community college bookstore and just buy the 'official' manuals > >and > > > > never signed up for the classes. I was lucky enough to already have a > >jr > > > > dba position so I was getting the real-world experience and I had a > >fairly > > > > decent idea of how oracle worked at a very basic level. (although I > >will > > > > say that my confidence in what I know has dropped dramatically in the > >last > > > > several months since I joined this list and began reading book's such > >as > > > > steve adams' 'oracle internals' and jonathan lewis's 'oracle 8i > >building > > > > efficient databases'...which has spawned an enormous interest in > > > continuing > > > > to improve my knowledge of all things oracle) > > > > > > > > What really, really erks me is the fact that these certifications have > > > been > > > > cheapened by people who relay specific test questions and even entire > > > exams > > > > over the internet. People should be in it for the knowledge....not > >just > >to > > > > get that certificate. I'd be scared sh#tless if I found a job where I > > > > pretended to be a dba and justified it by my certification only to be > > > given > > > > actual dba responsibilities. ...i'd rather work at a coffee shop and > >not > > > > have to deal with the stress (but that's just me) > > > > > > > > Anyways, I'm rambling now. > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > Oh yeah....a BIG OL THANKS to the pros on this list that put up with > > > > questions from people like me! Your knowledge is GREATLY appreciated. > > > > > > > > Have a good one. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 9:49 AM > > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > > > 9i will cost you more in the long run because you have to take 4 exams > > > > at $150 each plus a $3000 course to get OCP. > > > > > > > > 8i then upgrade to 9i will cost you less but requires you to take up > > > > to 6 exams at $150 each but no more $3000 course. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Lyndon Tiu > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting Les Ayudo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > I'm thinking of going to school to get Oracle certified. There are > > > > > 2 schools in my area that are offering Oracle certs but one offers > > > > > Oracle 8i courses w/ an upgrade to 9i, while the other offers all > > > > > 9i courses. If i go to the schools who offers 9i courses, would I > > > > > miss out on valuable 8i knowledge? Which school should I attend? > > > > > The courses will last about 7 or 8 months. Also, is this a good > > > > > "in demand" field to get into? What chances am I looking at to > > > > > getting hired as a newbie DBA once I graduate? > > > > > > > > > > I want to get into the Ecommerce side of Oracle (connecting DBs to > > > > > websites/portals?). Which certification/path should I be > > > > > following? Thanks in advance!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > > > <http://www.orafaq.net> > > > > -- > > > > Author: Lyndon Tiu > > > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > > > <http://www.fatcity.com> > > > > San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > > > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). 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