On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, Juan Lorandi (Chile) wrote:
> JoeO, I'm going to talk you in a way that may bother you...
Nah, I'm hard to ruffle.
> <flamebait>
> DON'T STAND FOR IRONFLARE... they may or may not be rightfully accussed,
> but assuming their defense without being a part of the company hurts them,
> because
> they seem to have run out of reasons; almost look like awaiting the best
> offer...
> And it hurts us, because with each reply that doesn't come from them, our
> positions
> grow weaker and you'll start to see an awful lot of them unsubscribe
> messages
> </flamebait>
Why is that flamebait? I'm not a virulent supporter; I use Orion because
(right now) it still supports what I need best and the bugs I know of
aren't so severe that I can't work around. There are a LOT of features in
Orion that simply rock compared to other app servers. That hasn't changed.
Our positions aren't growing weaker, unless you count defections as
strength in only one fashion. People leaving Orion behind doesn't really
affect me, other than changing the user base somewhat. As far as
"strength" is concerned, Ironflare is at the point where (IMHO) they could
use our support and understanding as a lever to become more responsive
(again) more than they could use a tide of negative email.
As far as unsubscribe messages, people who aren't quite smart enough to
unsubscribe from mailing lists shouldn't be on them to begin
with. "usubscribe," "unsubcribe," bah! That's not even the normal way to
unsubscribe as it is.
> I love Orion, but I regret to say I don't trust it any further than I can
> throw it
I don't *love* Orion, but I use what works best for me. So far, it's still
Orion (I say that as I'm eyeing the WL6 installation on this box...)
> JP
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joseph B. Ottinger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Lunes, 15 de Enero de 2001 12:21
> To: Orion-Interest
> Subject: RE: Any news from Orion yet??
>
>
> On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, Jason Boehle wrote:
>
> > WL6 has support for EARs. They also support all of the EJB 2.0 spec
> except
> > for dependent objects. In fact, I am currently using WL6 for development
> > instead of Orion, due to the apparent lack of development going on in the
> > Orion team on EJB 2.0. I had suggested to my boss that we use Orion, as I
> > had been lurking and following it for several months, and saw that it
> always
> > met the latest specs first, etc. - now I feel dumb for doing so, as they
> > haven't had a new release in several months...
>
> Of course, this is a little unfair - weblogic hadn't had a new release for
> several months, either. They've just had a major release recently, which
> makes it seem like they're more active than Orion, when that's not
> necessarily the case. It might be, but that's not implied by the situation
> at present.
>
> For the most part, Orion is still very much ahead of the pack, and the
> speed is stil EXCELLENT. While I'm very much looking forward to a new
> round of released bug fixes, I'm still waiting for some things to shake
> out before I abandon ship.
>
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Santosh Kumar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 12:57 AM
> > To: Orion-Interest
> > Subject: Re: Any news from Orion yet??
> >
> >
> > Hi kevin,
> > As far as i have known WL5.1 or <, there is no concept of ear
> files,
> > does 6.0 include
> > that. Doesn't the J2EE mandate (I am not sure!) the use of EAR = WAR +
> JAR
> > + CAR(or JAR)?
> > To deploy the JPS1.1.1 on Orion, it is a piece of cake, while deploying on
> > WLS, i have to
> > unpack the EAR files and dis-integrate them which is contrary to the
> essence
> > of packaging the ear files,
> > Even meddling with the ugly weblogic.properties frustrates one and all. Is
> > that true with all WLS users?
> >
> > Orion is a neat impl of J2EE, is WLS6.0?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Santosh.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Kevin Duffey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: Orion-Interest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 12:07 PM
> > Subject: RE: Any news from Orion yet??
> >
> >
> > > I am not one to advocate another product, but WL6 looks nice. It is easy
> > to
> > > work with compared to WL5.1. Orion is still the best. JBoss looks very
> > > interesting as well.
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Neville
> > > > Burnell
> > > > Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 2:26 PM
> > > > To: Orion-Interest
> > > > Cc: Orion-Interest
> > > > Subject: FW: Any news from Orion yet??
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yes - pls Orion people, publish some news & update Orion ...
> > > >
> > > > We are looking to buy at least 3 licences over the next few weeks if
> > > > everything is ok
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > >
> > > > Neville Burnell
> > > > Business Manager Software
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Duffey, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Sunday, 14 January 2001 12:45 PM
> > > > To: Orion-Interest
> > > > Subject: Any news from Orion yet??
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > Has anyone heard from the team lately? I know I saw a post about a
> month
> > > > or
> > > > so ago. Its been about 3 or 4 months since anything has changed on
> their
> > > > site, if not longer and now its getting me worried. I can understand
> > > > them
> > > > trying to organize the company, but did production stop on the app
> > > > server? I
> > > > wish there was some news once every couple of weeks or so from them on
> > > > their
> > > > site letting us know what is happening.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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> Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
>
>
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