I don't think it supports Servlet 2.2/JSP 1.1 yet either..unless it recently
has added that support. I am surprised that with $2billion being invested in
the ir e-business solutions, they haven't revamped WebSphere completely in
favor of an accurate implemtation of J2EE, and one that is up to date. Its
amazing that a team like the Orion team just blows away the competition in
terms of keeping up the latest specs, yet the big 3 (IBM, BEA and Oracle)
have far more resources to apply. Yet another reason to stay with Orion over
the outrageously priced and incomparable quality of the top dogs.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Danut Prisacaru [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 8:13 AM
> To: Orion-Interest
> Subject: RE: Any news from Orion yet??
>
>
> I just played a little bit with WebSphere and I have to agree with
> Konstantin: it does not work very well.
>
> I was expecting a better tool from IBM and I am really dissapointed.
>
> Danut
>
> At 01:56 PM 2/13/2001 +0100, Konstantin Polyzois wrote:
> >"Weblogic (and the high priced products like Websphere) are great..."
> >
> >Speaking as someone who has done development using Websphere
> (3.0 & 3.02):
> >It sucks! Don't use it for anything but JSP or servlets. It
> has so many
> >flaws that I don't even want to get in to them!!
> >
> >/korre
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Kemp Randy-W18971
> >To: Orion-Interest
> >Sent: 2001-02-12 13:58
> >Subject: RE: Any news from Orion yet??
> >
> >
> >Weblogic (and the high priced products like Websphere) are
> great, if you
> >want to pay the price. They come with nice tools like front
> end gui's,
> >good documentation, paid support, etc. But if you look for
> the opinions
> >of developers who have used these products, and compared
> them to Orion,
> >jboss, etc., they would say the EJB capacies are no better then the
> >other high priced products. In order of ranking, here's how
> I look at
> >the other products.
> >1 Orion -- This product is ready now, but I haven't seen anyone from
> >this list run a Sears store on it.
> >2. Jboss (www.jboss.org) -- The founders are very bright, have five
> >hundred developers on the projects, have EJB heavies
> contributing to the
> >list, and it's a very easy to use product. Personally, even
> though it
> >is ready for production now, I would wait for it to mature a
> bit more.
> >It's like a fine wine -- drink it now, and it is OK, or
> allow it to age
> >a bit then drink it (like jboss 3.0 final).
> >3. Openejb (www.openejb.org) - this project has a very
> bright and well
> >known person heading it, and it is slated to be intergrated
> with Tomcat
> >and Apache. It has yet to prove itself, as it is not yet ready for
> >production release. But it has good future promise.
> >4. Jonas (www.evidian.com/jonas) - This is a good product,
> but it is not
> >as advanced as the other two open source products and I
> don't think they
> >have as many people behind them.
> >5. Enhydra enterprise (www.enhydra.org). If you like the enhydra
> >application server, this product has potential. But it is not
> >production ready yet and it intergrates with the jonas server.
> > In summary, Orion is here now but can it run Sears?
> Jboss is ready
> >but I would let it mature a bit more for production environments.
> >Openejb and Enhydra have great potential, but they are not
> ready yet and
> >have to prove themselves. Jonas is OK but I prefer the other open
> >source alternatives.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Anthony W. Marino
> >To: Orion-Interest
> >Sent: 2/11/01 9:06 AM
> >Subject: Re: Any news from Orion yet??
> >
> >On another note, can you and/or someone, qualify/quantify
> what you mean
> >by
> >the following previously made statement :
> >
> >"For the most part, Orion is still very much ahead of the
> pack, and the
> >speed is stil EXCELLENT."
> >?
> >
> >In the Apache Tomcat list I asked the following question:
> >
> >"Can someone suggest to me what Apache and/or other
> OpenSource products
> >could
> >be integrated to compete with functionally and/or considered
> in the same
> >
> >category as BEA WebLogic?
> >I don't necessarily need all of what BEA has to offer at this time,
> >however,
> >I would like to know, generally, what it would take to get
> there without
> >the
> >big $$$$$ price tag."
> >
> >Thank You,
> >Anthony
> >
> >On Monday 15 January 2001 15:20, you wrote:
> > > On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, Jason Boehle wrote:
> > > > WL6 has support for EARs. They also support all of the
> EJB 2.0 spec
> > > > except for dependent objects. In fact, I am currently
> using WL6 for
> > > > development instead of Orion, due to the apparent lack of
> >development
> > > > going on in the Orion team on EJB 2.0. I had suggested
> to my boss
> >that
> > > > we use Orion, as I had been lurking and following it for several
> >months,
> > > > and saw that it always met the latest specs first, etc.
> - now I feel
> >dumb
> > > > for doing so, as they haven't had a new release in
> several months...
> > >
> > > Of course, this is a little unfair - weblogic hadn't had
> a new release
> >for
> > > several months, either. They've just had a major release recently,
> >which
> > > makes it seem like they're more active than Orion, when that's not
> > > necessarily the case. It might be, but that's not implied by the
> >situation
> > > at present.
> > >
> > > For the most part, Orion is still very much ahead of the
> pack, and the
> > > speed is stil EXCELLENT. While I'm very much looking
> forward to a new
> > > round of released bug fixes, I'm still waiting for some things to
> >shake
> > > out before I abandon ship.
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Santosh Kumar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 12:57 AM
> > > > To: Orion-Interest
> > > > Subject: Re: Any news from Orion yet??
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi kevin,
> > > > As far as i have known WL5.1 or <, there is no
> concept of
> >ear
> > > > files, does 6.0 include
> > > > that. Doesn't the J2EE mandate (I am not sure!) the use of EAR =
> >WAR +
> > > > JAR + CAR(or JAR)?
> > > > To deploy the JPS1.1.1 on Orion, it is a piece of cake, while
> >deploying
> > > > on WLS, i have to
> > > > unpack the EAR files and dis-integrate them which is
> contrary to the
> > > > essence of packaging the ear files,
> > > > Even meddling with the ugly weblogic.properties
> frustrates one and
> >all.
> > > > Is that true with all WLS users?
> > > >
> > > > Orion is a neat impl of J2EE, is WLS6.0?
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Santosh.
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Kevin Duffey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: Orion-Interest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 12:07 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: Any news from Orion yet??
> > > >
> > > > > I am not one to advocate another product, but WL6
> looks nice. It
> >is
> > > > > easy
> > > >
> > > > to
> > > >
> > > > > work with compared to WL5.1. Orion is still the best.
> JBoss looks
> >very
> > > > > interesting as well.
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> >Neville
> > > > > > Burnell
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 2:26 PM
> > > > > > To: Orion-Interest
> > > > > > Cc: Orion-Interest
> > > > > > Subject: FW: Any news from Orion yet??
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes - pls Orion people, publish some news & update Orion ...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We are looking to buy at least 3 licences over the next few
> >weeks if
> > > > > > everything is ok
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Neville Burnell
> > > > > > Business Manager Software
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Duffey, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, 14 January 2001 12:45 PM
> > > > > > To: Orion-Interest
> > > > > > Subject: Any news from Orion yet??
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Has anyone heard from the team lately? I know I saw
> a post about
> >a
> > > > > > month or
> > > > > > so ago. Its been about 3 or 4 months since anything
> has changed
> >on
> > > > > > their site, if not longer and now its getting me
> worried. I can
> > > > > > understand them
> > > > > > trying to organize the company, but did production
> stop on the
> >app
> > > > > > server? I
> > > > > > wish there was some news once every couple of weeks
> or so from
> >them
> > > > > > on their
> > > > > > site letting us know what is happening.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > -----------------------------------------------------------
> > > Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
>
>
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