As the lower cost and open source products continue to mature, we may see
prices come down. Check out The server side today.
http://www.theserverside.com
JIm
--On Tuesday, February 13, 2001 6:37 PM -0600 Kemp Randy-W18971
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't knock the higher priced products, and they do have the lion's
> share of the market, and many large companies run big applications on
> them. Personally, I feel as many low price (Orion) and open source
> (jboss, etc.) mature, more people will ride that path. Look at the
> history of Apache, and now 60 % of the world's servers run it.
> Developers see that the low priced and open source options are maturing
> and proving themselves. It's just a matter of time.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Konstantin Polyzois
> To: Orion-Interest
> Sent: 2/13/01 6:56 AM
> Subject: RE: Any news from Orion yet??
>
> "Weblogic (and the high priced products like Websphere) are great..."
>
> Speaking as someone who has done development using Websphere (3.0 &
> 3.02):
> It sucks! Don't use it for anything but JSP or servlets. It has so many
> flaws that I don't even want to get in to them!!
>
> /korre
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kemp Randy-W18971
> To: Orion-Interest
> Sent: 2001-02-12 13:58
> Subject: RE: Any news from Orion yet??
>
>
> Weblogic (and the high priced products like Websphere) are great, if you
> want to pay the price. They come with nice tools like front end gui's,
> good documentation, paid support, etc. But if you look for the opinions
> of developers who have used these products, and compared them to Orion,
> jboss, etc., they would say the EJB capacies are no better then the
> other high priced products. In order of ranking, here's how I look at
> the other products.
> 1 Orion -- This product is ready now, but I haven't seen anyone from
> this list run a Sears store on it.
> 2. Jboss (www.jboss.org) -- The founders are very bright, have five
> hundred developers on the projects, have EJB heavies contributing to the
> list, and it's a very easy to use product. Personally, even though it
> is ready for production now, I would wait for it to mature a bit more.
> It's like a fine wine -- drink it now, and it is OK, or allow it to age
> a bit then drink it (like jboss 3.0 final).
> 3. Openejb (www.openejb.org) - this project has a very bright and well
> known person heading it, and it is slated to be intergrated with Tomcat
> and Apache. It has yet to prove itself, as it is not yet ready for
> production release. But it has good future promise.
> 4. Jonas (www.evidian.com/jonas) - This is a good product, but it is not
> as advanced as the other two open source products and I don't think they
> have as many people behind them.
> 5. Enhydra enterprise (www.enhydra.org). If you like the enhydra
> application server, this product has potential. But it is not
> production ready yet and it intergrates with the jonas server.
> In summary, Orion is here now but can it run Sears? Jboss is ready
> but I would let it mature a bit more for production environments.
> Openejb and Enhydra have great potential, but they are not ready yet and
> have to prove themselves. Jonas is OK but I prefer the other open
> source alternatives.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anthony W. Marino
> To: Orion-Interest
> Sent: 2/11/01 9:06 AM
> Subject: Re: Any news from Orion yet??
>
> On another note, can you and/or someone, qualify/quantify what you mean
> by
> the following previously made statement :
>
> "For the most part, Orion is still very much ahead of the pack, and the
> speed is stil EXCELLENT."
> ?
>
> In the Apache Tomcat list I asked the following question:
>
> "Can someone suggest to me what Apache and/or other OpenSource products
> could
> be integrated to compete with functionally and/or considered in the same
>
> category as BEA WebLogic?
> I don't necessarily need all of what BEA has to offer at this time,
> however,
> I would like to know, generally, what it would take to get there without
> the
> big $$$$$ price tag."
>
> Thank You,
> Anthony
>
> On Monday 15 January 2001 15:20, you wrote:
>> On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, Jason Boehle wrote:
>> > WL6 has support for EARs. They also support all of the EJB 2.0 spec
>> > except for dependent objects. In fact, I am currently using WL6 for
>> > development instead of Orion, due to the apparent lack of
> development
>> > going on in the Orion team on EJB 2.0. I had suggested to my boss
> that
>> > we use Orion, as I had been lurking and following it for several
> months,
>> > and saw that it always met the latest specs first, etc. - now I feel
> dumb
>> > for doing so, as they haven't had a new release in several months...
>>
>> Of course, this is a little unfair - weblogic hadn't had a new release
> for
>> several months, either. They've just had a major release recently,
> which
>> makes it seem like they're more active than Orion, when that's not
>> necessarily the case. It might be, but that's not implied by the
> situation
>> at present.
>>
>> For the most part, Orion is still very much ahead of the pack, and the
>> speed is stil EXCELLENT. While I'm very much looking forward to a new
>> round of released bug fixes, I'm still waiting for some things to
> shake
>> out before I abandon ship.
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Santosh Kumar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> > Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 12:57 AM
>> > To: Orion-Interest
>> > Subject: Re: Any news from Orion yet??
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi kevin,
>> > As far as i have known WL5.1 or <, there is no concept of
> ear
>> > files, does 6.0 include
>> > that. Doesn't the J2EE mandate (I am not sure!) the use of EAR =
> WAR +
>> > JAR + CAR(or JAR)?
>> > To deploy the JPS1.1.1 on Orion, it is a piece of cake, while
> deploying
>> > on WLS, i have to
>> > unpack the EAR files and dis-integrate them which is contrary to the
>> > essence of packaging the ear files,
>> > Even meddling with the ugly weblogic.properties frustrates one and
> all.
>> > Is that true with all WLS users?
>> >
>> > Orion is a neat impl of J2EE, is WLS6.0?
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Santosh.
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: Kevin Duffey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > To: Orion-Interest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 12:07 PM
>> > Subject: RE: Any news from Orion yet??
>> >
>> > > I am not one to advocate another product, but WL6 looks nice. It
> is
>> > > easy
>> >
>> > to
>> >
>> > > work with compared to WL5.1. Orion is still the best. JBoss looks
> very
>> > > interesting as well.
>> > >
>> > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Neville
>> > > > Burnell
>> > > > Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 2:26 PM
>> > > > To: Orion-Interest
>> > > > Cc: Orion-Interest
>> > > > Subject: FW: Any news from Orion yet??
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Yes - pls Orion people, publish some news & update Orion ...
>> > > >
>> > > > We are looking to buy at least 3 licences over the next few
> weeks if
>> > > > everything is ok
>> > > >
>> > > > Cheers
>> > > >
>> > > > Neville Burnell
>> > > > Business Manager Software
>> > > >
>> > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > From: Duffey, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> > > > Sent: Sunday, 14 January 2001 12:45 PM
>> > > > To: Orion-Interest
>> > > > Subject: Any news from Orion yet??
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Hi all,
>> > > >
>> > > > Has anyone heard from the team lately? I know I saw a post about
> a
>> > > > month or
>> > > > so ago. Its been about 3 or 4 months since anything has changed
> on
>> > > > their site, if not longer and now its getting me worried. I can
>> > > > understand them
>> > > > trying to organize the company, but did production stop on the
> app
>> > > > server? I
>> > > > wish there was some news once every couple of weeks or so from
> them
>> > > > on their
>> > > > site letting us know what is happening.
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks.
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------------
>> Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
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I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I -
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.
- Robert Frost, 1916
