Mac
   I would be interested in what steps you took to get Bugseeker connected to your 
remote VM, as would other people on the list.  Are the steps short enough to include 
in an Orion Interest email?
Randy

-----Original Message-----
From: Mac Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 10:59 AM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: RE: Debugging and orion


I was in contact with Allaire's Kawa support recently and they told me that
Kawa will support running/debugging Orion directly in it's IDE in an
upcoming service pack, how soon it will be released is not certain, so
caveat emptor. I found Kawa to be a pretty good basic IDE (I don't like lots
of frills, I just want codesense and debugging), although in addition to not
yet supporting Orion it was not a simple affair to add .class files to the
CodeSense. If you want a decent step-thru remote debugger, check out
Bugseeker (http://www.karmira.com) it was a bit tricky to get it connected
to my remote JVM, but once I figured it out it was pretty good, it's *very*
affordable, too. I also have recently become aware of JSwat
(http://www.bluemarsh.com/java/jswat/), an open-source debugger. I am
currently using the combination of Visual Slickedit for editing, Bugseeker
for debugging and ANT for building, I occasionally fire up Forte (only
because I have 256 MB memory and lots of time!) to do visual Swing stuff.

Hope this helps,
Mac Ferguson

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Julian
> Richardson
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 6:18 AM
> To: Orion-Interest
> Subject: Debugging and orion
>
>
> Hi,
>
> What tools / IDEs are people out there using to develop EJBs for use with
> Orion? At the moment we (as a project team, rather than company)
> are trying
> to standardise on an app server and IDE to use, requirements being the
> usual:
>
>       cost
>       speed
>       flexibility
>       resource usage
>       debugging support from the IDE
>
> - I saw that someone mentioned using Kawa with Orion on the orionsupport
> website; has this combination been used by many people? (I'm new
> to the app
> server world, although I've been doing server-side Java work for several
> years now - I'm not used to environments where it's even possible
> to use an
> integrated debugger, but others on the team say it's necessary :-)
>
> Comments about the speed / flexibility / resource usage of Orion
> are welcome
> too, from the website it looks pretty slick and the documentation looks
> good, but time will tell... also if there's any major snags with orion in
> terms of things that the current version doesn't do correctly or doesn't
> implement...
>
> cheers
>
> Jules
>
> --
>


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