Fair enough, Mike, but my bottom line was: Why not ... address that issue
(having MySQL and Orion folks talk to each other) directly?
Perhaps they could address the licensing issues, but that can never happen
without starting a dialog. Maybe MySQL could get better. I would also
point out that, in his farewell to HSQL, Thomas mentioned many problems
remaining with HSQL, so my understanding is that it was not a production
solution -- just a way to get started with Orion. If HSQL is now
production ready, then way cool.
Randy had a good thought -- the Thought Police should quit stomping on it.
The issue is simply whether or not MySQL and Orion should talk. :)
At 03:14 PM 4/18/01 -0500, you wrote:
>RE: Given that HypersonicSQL is currently not being maintained (is it?)
>
>Yes, it is right here (http://hsqldb.sourceforge.net). We are currently the
>3rd most active app in all of SourceForge, averaging >250 d/l / day and a
>~99.8 percentile activity rate. (Full disclosure: I'm the PM)
>
>Also, MySQL is not 'free' (libre or gratis). Reread the original licenses.
>Hypersonic is (possibly, just guessing here) in Orion because the license is
>BSD (they don't HAVE to give us or Thomas credit for the code, or provide
>source, it's nice of them to mention us, but they don't HAVE to, unlike a
>GPL or FSF license, which MySQL is not) and because it is Java.
>
>MySQL as a part of Orion , in my opinion,would be a DISASTER, even with
>Eclipse. Remember, faster, tighter, BETTER. MySQL doesn't cut it.
>
>Not flaming, just facts.
>
>Michael J. Cannon
>Project Manager, COO - hsqldb.org
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jay Armstrong
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 11:35 AM
>> To: Orion-Interest
>> Subject: Re: A Swedish Idea
>>
>>
>> C'mon -- lighten up a little on Randy. This is not an issue for every
>> little country with an inferiority complex to get hot about.
>>
>> The possible relationship is based not only on the physical geography, but
>> also on the "openness" of the products (MySQL is completely open, while
>> Orion is free for development).
>>
>> Given that HypersonicSQL is currently not being maintained (is it?), it
>> seems like a logical idea to find a good substitute and MySQL would
>> probably be a nice fit. Personally, I love HSQL and, now that tax season
>> is over here in the United Socialist States of America, I plan to budget
>> some time to help with that.
>>
>> In spite of our whizbang ability to communicate over the net, sometimes
>> physical proximity is important. Maybe the two parties just never thought
>> about having a face-to-face meeting, even though they are neighbors.
>>
>> So, why not stop waving your flags for a moment and address that issue
>> directly?
>>
>> Jay Armstrong
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>> At 09:20 AM 4/18/01 -0500, you wrote:
>> >Personally, I'm becoming more and more convinced that not only is Sweden
>> >full of lousy programmers, but they're all lousy in congruent
>> ways just to
>> >make the rest of the world's jobs harder.
>> >
>> >I say we all start using Bavarian products, if only because
>> Bavarian names
>> >seem to have a better vowel/consonant ratio.
>> >
>> >Say, Randy... what country are YOU from? (That's the leading
>> indicator for
>> >quality of code...)
>> >
>> >On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 08:49:24AM -0500, Kemp Randy-W18971 wrote:
>> >> Now this may be a dumb idea, and I am just thinking up brainstorms to
>> promote Orion, but it occurred to me that both Mysql and Orion are in
>> Sweden. Now I don't know how big Sweden is, but perhaps a meeting between
>> the two teams could find ways to mutually promote or bridge the two
>> products. Just a thought. Speaking of Sweden, since Rickard O. from
>> Jboss lives there, does anyone know of Magnus or Karl have meet him? In
>> once sense, but Jboss and Orion are trying to make this EJB technology
>> available to more people.
>> >
>> >--
>> >-----------------------------------------------------------
>> >Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
>> >
>> >
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