Well, what I don't understand is how after getting at least some sum of
money, Orion hasn't hired people to do the job of support. Maybe they
haven't got any money yet because Orion still has alot of bugs and is a ways
away from what Oracle 9i promises in their app server. You gotta believe
Oracle licensing Orion is a great thing for Orion, and perhaps they are very
very busy working on alot of fixes for Oracle's version of Orion. I can say
that if clustering isn't working (at least from what I have tried), and
HTTPS clustering doesn't work, and there are other bugs too, that Oracle
isn't going to launch 9i with a buggy product, even though Orion is pretty
stable for most things. I still can't figure out why it hangs randomly when
I am working, but it has proved pretty stable in production.
On the note of support, has anyone load-tested the hell out of Orion to see
how much it really can handle before it crawls? I think these are issues
support (or perhaps a white paper) should address.
What the hell am I talking about anyways? Oh well..Orion still rocks, but
JBoss is much more enticing with its better architecture (at least in the
EJB container), open source, and free price for deployment, production,
distribution, etc. Now if only I could find a free open-source powerful
scalable servlet 2.3/JSP 1.2 engine with a built in web server that is as
good as orion.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rabi Satter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 6:24 AM
> To: Orion-Interest
> Subject: RE: I think, I will start a support site too....
>
>
> I usually don't step into these times of discussions but I
> must object to
> your statement about sites going down. In the bad old days
> before the web,
> client/server, etc. a system manager would be fired for
> having a system go
> down as many times as this list and the sites you mentioned
> have. It is time
> the IT world stops saying gee that's life stuff doesn't work
> every now and
> then. In the mainframe/minicomputer world 99.99999% up time
> is the norm.
> That is what the IT world needs to have as a goal 100% reliable.
>
> The list reliability is very poor even by Internet standards.
> Simply moving
> the list to a list service would solve the issue once and for all if
> Ironflare would do that the list would be stable. Having the
> list stable is
> the first step to projecting a sense of support and stability
> of Ironflare.
> That would stop the complaints about support. Heck if
> Ironflare [hell I
> would do] take about an hour to setup a list on the list
> services this issue
> would die. Secondly, spending a week or less to build a
> portal site and have
> it hosted at tier1 or tier2 web hosting companying would
> handle the minimum
> that Ironflare's owners wish to put out on support. Total
> cost to Ironflare
> probably less than $2k a year or the revenue from the sale of
> one copy of
> Orion.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael J. Cannon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 11:43 PM
> To: Orion-Interest
> Subject: Re: I think, I will start a support site too....
>
>
> I personally think third-party support sites are a good
> thing. All of them
> I have seen so far are primarily commercial in nature, in
> order to counter
> the complaints of the corporate users that there was no
> 'credible support.'
> It's capitalism in action: see a need in the market and meet it.
>
> ...as to what the maillist runs, it really doesn't matter.
> All websites go
> down...Hotmail, Yahoo, even Slashdot...the rumor - never
> confirmed - was
> that it did indeed run on Orionserver. So what? Now you
> have another place
> to go when it is down (the new support sites).
>
> ...and if Orion is good enough for you to run a web site - (and it is:
> http:/www.standardset.com/ )
> well, it should be good enough for Orion, especially since
> they developed it
> and this is one of the 'load and valence test platforms (if
> it does indeed
> run on Orion) for the product.
>
> Finally, the more info the merrier, and, given the levels of
> interest and
> participation by the people who have started these support
> sites and the
> support they have shown everyone on this maillist, I don't
> think any of us
> are going to suffer.
>
> Michael J. Cannon
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alex Paransky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Orion-Interest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 9:13 PM
> Subject: I think, I will start a support site too....
>
>
> > (in style of Andy Rooney)
> >
> > I see everyone is starting their support sites for Orion.
> I think it's a
> > poor solution for something that's broken, mainly, this
> mailing list. How
> > many support sites do we actually have now? Why is it such
> a problem to
> > keep the mailing list up and running?
> >
> > Now, we need to post the message to at least 3 places to
> make sure it gets
> > maximum exposure. I think I will start a support site,
> that posts to all
> > other support sites, just so that people don't have to
> search various
> > support sites for help.
> >
> > I don't mind so many support sites starting up, I just
> think they are
> > starting up for poor reasons and fragmenting what little
> knowledge we
> > already have about this product.
> >
> > What is the problem with the list? Why is it down half the
> time? I hope
> > it's not running under Orion...
> >
> > -AP_
> >
> >
>
