On Wed, 2008-02-06 at 20:04 -0900, eric gisse wrote:
> 
> 
> On Feb 6, 2008 4:16 PM, Geoffroy Vallee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>         
>         On Wed, 2008-02-06 at 13:21 -0900, eric gisse wrote:
>         
>         >
>         > On Feb 6, 2008 5:10 AM, Geoffroy Vallee
>         <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>         > wrote:
>         >
>         >         On Tue, 2008-02-05 at 17:58 -0900, eric gisse wrote:
>         >         > It does.
>         >
>         >         Do you mean you have those in the local
>         repositories? If so,
>         >         your local
>         >         repository has been corrupted for some reason (but
>         we never
>         >         had the case
>         >         where OSCAR does corrupt the repository itself).
>         >
>         > I have packages missing from /three/ sources.
>         >
>         > 1) The common-rpms depository.
>         > 2) The distro-specific [fc-8-i386] repository
>         > 3) The actual distribution repository.
>         >
>         > It'd make sense that it'd be a cockup @ my end. But I follow
>         the
>         > readme to the letter [for dicussions like this] and I have
>         gone
>         > through a half dozen installs of OSCAR now. The md5sums
>         match, and I
>         > have used two separate fedora burns. This makes me think it
>         is either
>         > something really, really subtle or something is broken in
>         OSCAR.
>         
>         
>         Please answer my questions because if not i cannot help you:
>         do you have
>         those RPMs in /tftpboot/distro/fc-8-i386?
> 
> The answer is "yes and no".
> 
> Things like arpwatch, chkfontpath, php-pear....those aren't there, but
> OSCAR wants them. Some other things, like glibc, gcc, whatever. Those
> *are* in there.

Right now i do not care about gcc and so on. I asked you the question
for 4 specific RPMs and clearly, based on your answer, i only know that
php-pear is not there. But what about the 3 others RPMS? Therefore,
please, give me this basic information.

> 
> The things that are missing _are not_ in the FC8 DVD. Am I not using
> "enough" of Fedora here? 

This is _not_ the question i ask you since the beginning. Again you do
not answer my question clearly and then you ask to me to help you.
Please answer clearly to my question.

> 
> Plus some of the later missing packages are opkg.* rpms which
> come /with/ OSCAR. 

As i said, i focus right now _only_ on the OSCAR bootstrapping...
without a clean boostrap it is "normal" that other stuff are not working
(this is actually the definition of bootstrap, it isn't?).

> 
> The actual directory name has been, until
> now, /tftpboot/distro/fedora-8-i386 since the manual was rather
> specific that I use fedora. It isn't consistent with the rest of
> OSCAR, but I haven't thought about it much. I'm going to try making it
> use the online repository to see if that clears up some of the crying.
> 
If you just answer my questions, i should be able to help you. You speak
about a lot of different issues but you do not give us any details. How
are we supposed to help you in that context?
> 
>         
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >         >
>         >         > The whole point is _I have to install them
>         manually_. The
>         >         yum
>         >         > repository is not confused when I ask for the
>         packages,
>         >         either.
>         >
>         >
>         >         No the local repository does not "export" those
>         RPMs, it is
>         >         clearly
>         >         shown in your logs. That's why yum (used by OSCAR)
>         cannot
>         >         install those
>         >         packages. So if you mean that the RPMs are actually
>         in the
>         >         directory of
>         >         the local repository (/tftpboot/distro/fedora-8-i386
>         or a
>         >         similar
>         >         directory), it means your repository is corrupted.
>         You will
>         >         have to
>         >         rebuild it (not difficult) and everything should go
>         smoothly.
>         >
>         > I have rebuilt the _system_ multiple times. The latest being
>         yesterday
>         > due to accidently [still have no idea how] corrupting one of
>         the mysql
>         > databases, and my attempt to fix [uninstall everything
>         mysql] hosed
>         > the system.
>         
>         
>         Do you have the log? What kind of database corruption did you
>         have?
> 
> Not anymore. I killed the system in the process of trying to fix it.
> 
> I don't know what kind of corruption, my guess is that based on the
> error log OSCAR was confused about what the server IP was. I couldn't
> track it, so I found it easier to rebuild.
> 
> 
>         
>         >
>         > Notice that yum installs most of everything, but never
>         everything.
>         > What you can't see is that after this, I have to repeat the
>         process
>         > twice more, and that it is the /same/ packages every time.
>         >
>         
>         Which is normal since the log clearly show that those packages
>         are not
>         exported for a OSCAR usage, as i said before.
>         >
>         >
>         >         >
>         >         > Right now that is taking a side issue to making
>         PXE work,
>         >         which is a
>         >         > whole new ball game. This is the hard way to learn
>         linux.
>         >
>         >
>         >         Nothing related with Linux learning! You are using a
>         beta
>         >         version of a
>         >         software so you may encounter issues. It is true
>         under Linux
>         >         but also
>         >         under other OSes. If you want a "stable" software,
>         please use
>         >         a stable
>         >         version of OSCAR with a well-supported Linux
>         distribution.
>         >
>         > Oh bull, can you think of a better way to wedge in dozens of
>         commands
>         > and how to use them by trying to make an ornery piece of
>         software
>         > work? OSCAR cooperates enough to not make it a fool's
>         errand, but not
>         > often enough to stop me from having to learn something.
>         >
>         > Plus, you'd think the handful of "no issues here!" posts
>         about this
>         > beta using fc8 would mean smooth sailing.
>         
>         
>         I just try to help you and again you are dealing with a beta
>         version of
>         OSCAR. If you do not want to deal with these issues (i am
>         ready to help
>         you but please give me more info; you did not answer some of
>         my
>         questions), just give up and use a stable version.
> 
> A fresh install and I'm seeing major problems even after carefully
> following the manual. I'm obviously doing something wrong since I see
> no mention of any of this on the users or devel list. I'm reasonably
> sure this is subtle "user error".
> 
> I can and will deal with the issues. It's just that they are hard and
> this is a software package I'm unfamiliar with. Plus I don't think FC5
> would play ball with this old Dell hardware.
> 
> 
>         
>         And i am sorry but OSCAR is definitively not Linux so when you
>         say that
>         this is an hard way to learn Linux, it does not make sense.
>         Cluster
>         computing is not a basic Linux usage and there is other
>         well-known
>         methofs to "learn Linux".
> 
> ...I know that OSCAR is not Linux. I'm not that fresh. I'd like to
> think my point made it across.
> 
> Personally I learn computer stuff best when trying to do something.
> I'm getting an accurate handle on the command line nuances, but some
> things are just weird. I think its' cute how the remote terminal
> crashes/quits in the "Monitor cluster deployment" stage when I try to
> export the error log.
>  
>         
>         
>         And also note that i never said that there is no issue. But
>         based on
>         what you report, we do not even have enough information to
>         create a
>         correct bug report. So please, check if the RPMs are available
>         in your
>         local repositories; if so, i will explain to you how to
>         regenerate the
>         repository meta-data and then you will be able to see if
>         everything
>         works. But again if the prereqs are not correctly
>         automatically
>         installed, there is no way that OSCAR could work because it
>         shows that a
>         central piece of the OSCAR core is not correctly setup.
> 
> What I've been doing is parsing the error log and looking for what
> isn't being installed, then installing it. I get to the point where I
> can build the image and I have to repeat that again, then I can go on
> and setup networking / define client fine. Then it fails in a fashion
> that makes me think the image isn't being pushed across the network,
> but I can't attach the error log because good ol' copy and paste
> somehow manages to crash the terminal software used by OSCAR.
> 
> 
> [...]


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