hi Red1
I've always supported you, and I've also been yr devil's advocate.
I agree with Azrul, its 'simplicity' that sells. Adempiere as it is
now is too complex, granted that ERP is complex, but Mat Din Sdn Bhd
just needs soemthng that works without having to spend 3 mths training
and 6 mths implementation.
I one-click install CD is required, and due to the very wide usage of
ERP, perhaps that install CD should prompt the user with a few
questions - then create the config that he needs. Perhaps we can use a
few 'templates' for different industry and/or business types/profiles.
ie: templates for:
1. single outlet retail shop - your regular mom-pop grecery store with a POS
2. multi-outlet retail shop with centralised/distributed store.
3. manufacturer, that needs te usual pls supply-chain, MRP
4. export manf. that needs all of above + foreign currency accounting
5. some gov organisation....
....
and the list goes on.
Notice what is needed is:
- Market knowledge - which of the above profiles are most in demand
(or most profitable - in terms of revenue, startgic importance etc...)
- Domain knowledge - someone who knows enough about each of those
insdustry from the biz. perspective.
- Technical knowhow - to develop/code the 'smart configurator'.
Or maybe make these into plugin modules so different ppl can
contribute 'configurators' for different business types, perhaps even
'sell, make money' from licensing these!!
Now bundle Adempiere, together with a bunch of 'smart configurators'
on a CD and I'm sure it'll be a success. Also copy Canonical, by
sending a CD to anyone who emails in for one....
Also may set up a "Configurator App Store" like an iPhone store, and
let others contribute and sell... of course there will be offers for
paid consultancy etc....
(my take on OSS is like IKEA furniture, it comes in a flat box with
"some assembly required", you have to fiddle with it to assemble it.
If you can't or are too lazy to read the instructions and do it
yourself, then you can pay someone to do it for you, but unfortunately
Msian's are too lazy and too ignorant... don't understand the concept
of RTFM, for OSS... no?)
2 Questions to yr proposal...
1. Why restrict it to ERP?
If anything, healthcare is even more important! As per my presentation
"FOSS + Healthcare = lives" ... its about saving lives.
And we as Masians have a shot at this... I'll tell you why when we meet...
And from a politcal and social responsibility POV, has a better chance of
getting funding.
2. Can't really claim Adempiere as a Msian product right?
How many Msian developers in there? ...;-)
...hence M'sian gift to the world?
(maybe need another branding, like Ubuntu & Linux? - MyDempiere &
Adempiere ;-)
As I've always said and Azrul has pointed out, Msia needs more
technical ppl,
hard-core coders, who can develop real kick-ass applications.
But sadly, few wanna be coders... even in the MyGOSSCON BOF,
not many attended the 'real technical' BOF sessions! by us Python guys ;-)
(or because they were not into Python and are PHP, Java... c'mon get over
the language issues, its the core concepts, that count.)
And I'll definitely say, its not easy being a programmer, you need
a fair level
of intelligence, hard-work and creativity. Oh, I think M'sians are
smart enough,
at least to avoid being a programmer! (sic)
And so long as this situation remains, we'll be 2nd class citizens
in the internet world, we are only consumers, we'll never be creators
of technology. And those of us who are in the programming craft, as
Azrul sez, will eventually find work outside of M'sia, (although, with
the internet, we don't have to leave, but may continue to live here...
;-)
(this has always been my rant.. Msians must develop the skills... but
are too afraid to do so.)
As Alan Kay (inventor of the GUI, concept of notebook, Smalltalk.. and
a super geek) says:
"In the future if someone doesn't know how to use a computer, it will
be like being illiterate, the world of knowledge will be shut off from
him. But if you he does not know how to program, its like he does not
know how to write, he will not be able to create..."
He said this in the early-mid 80's, and its this quote that got me
back into being a programmer after I had been a 'manager' for a while.
;-)
..there, did my rant prevent 2012 from massive volcanic eruptions, and
an cataclysmic asteroid colision?
On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 5:43 PM, red1 <[email protected]> wrote:
> Azrul, thanks for the Ubuntu proof. In a way before Mark Shuttleworth throw
> in some dimes into the Linux pot, it was a world devoid of Ubuntu. Imagine
> that IBM was a heavy investor of Linux but where did the money or focus go?
> Of course into heavy server-side that it holds dearly close to its money
> chest but not for the simple user in the street.
>
> Thus it proves very clearly that a single 1 shot can do wonders, what IF the
> same happens with ADempiere? If a millionaire just say, 'heck, here is some
> dimes' to us.
>
> In fact ADempiere enjoys that in some way. Kai Schaeffer who was here on
> MDec's ticket was such millionaire businessman who donated to host ADempiere
> Berlin Conferences. He also contributed the Windows Installer where its
> truly next, next, finish for us. He forms the ADempiere Deutschland e.V when
> i asked him to.
>
> As for here in Malaysia, thank Allah that there is hope. I am confident the
> few unis taking their grants and backing me (thus the CREATE idea is
> actually for them). I have a good offer now, but i am not desperate.. just a
> few more slides and i shall nail it. Your name is in it too! :)
>
> On your supportive pitch to MDec, thanks alot. I was trying to give some
> merdeka joy to them. It is this extra mile or 14 miles to be exact to reach
> the Kuang farm!
>
> I am not a good salesman. If there is some way i can tell MDec to tell the
> PM that MDec has done too much. It only has to change one small wire and
> THIS IS IT!
>
> If this gets to the PM it is not nice as it can be seen as potong jalan. I
> have retired from politics. I just want to bring up my country. Period.
>
> Azrul Hasni MADISA wrote:
>
> One market we should also focus on is the small time organization market
> (note it doesn't have to be SMEs, it could be your Persatuan Pekebun Kecil
> whatever somewhere). I really hope Adempiere could follow the ubuntu model.
> Call it "The ERP for the rest of us".
>
> 1) Single CD + a few clicks install
> 2) Dead simple to use
> 3) Integrated with online services (for example, for organizations, a link
> to ROS, for SME, maybe to LHDN etc.)
> 4) Mobile components
> 5) Dead simple addons - ala Android Marketplace
>
> Then, just like Ubuntu skyrocketed Linux from the backwaters of OSS, can
> Adempiere make most Malaysian realize the importance of an ERP.
>
> And thus the Center Red1 proposes.
>
> And frankly, just like Canonical has fulltime employees, so should the
> Center. Volunteers have done wonders for Adempiere, imagine what people can
> put in if they focus 100% of their working energy on it.
>
>
> This is a once in a lifetime oppurtunity for MDeC*. I, as an individual, do
> not necessarily need this center. I can earn my living, work my way the
> usual way and have a happy life and family. Worst case scenario, I just move
> out of this country (and lately I've been thinking more and more about doing
> just this) and I'm sure any talented Malaysian dev. out there are in the
> same situation. MDeC, please listen... and I'll try to be as polite as
> possible, we, as developers can survive well enough if Red1's center is not
> created. We'll find jobs, we'll raise our family and earn enough to pay for
> a vacation once in a while. We do not need the center per se, but Malaysia,
> as a country, and MDeC as the caretaker of the country's ICT, SOOO DO NEED
> IT. If not, 100 years from now, in our history books, MDeC would probably be
> just a footnote somewhere instead of a whole chapter if this center is not
> set up. Frankly, I'll be patient and see if MDeC takes the challenge that
> Red1 proposed, but this is probably the final straw. If not, a whole bunch
> of us are probably would leave the Malaysian OSS scene and probably the
> county.
>
> *If you are an MDeC employee, please do not think of my rant as an attack on
> you personally. I do think that people in MDeC are also individuals who
> choose to work with MDeC when they can pour their talent somewhere else.
> Heck, I know a few good people in MDeC who were courted by oversea companies
> and yet they decline the offer for the love of the country. If anything,
> they are more into it then us developers. I believe that people in MDeC are
> heroes but some of the policies are real time-wasters.
>
> Azrul Sensei
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 4:32 PM, red1 <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> After a short struggle this year long, i can now smile that at least few
>> people can now come up to me and say,
>>
>> "Mr. Redhuan. I finally am enlightened of what the hell you been
>> screaming about. FOSS is not about the code. It is about branding in a
>> blue ocean."
>>
>> Inspired by such new taliban, I spent these 2 days writing up a simple
>> plan for us to consider as Malaysia's Gift to the world.
>> http://www.red1.org/MSC8.pdf
>>
>> It is exported from AppleMac Keynote (manyak dasyot the animation, so if
>> you really wana see the movie, belanja me free teh tarik).
>>
>> So please discuss or vote for acceptance and make it our key flagship.
>> Whether it become reality or not we leave to Allah. Our tugas is done.
>>
>> WARNING: If you do not vote or counter then your tugas to
>> Allah/Karma/Tao/Money is not done. In a few years its 2012, possibly a
>> magnetic pole shift, sending chaos and 90% world population to alam
>> lain. Mana tahu, Malaysia is the next superpower to continue in the new
>> alam. :)
>>
>> red1
>>
>>
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> >
>
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