nampaknya "apt-get install adempiere" dah nak jadi kenyataan :) On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah <[email protected]>wrote:
> zam has posted a blog of his experience on installing adempiere on centos > > http://software.krimnet.com/open-source/how-to-install-adempiere-linux-centos-5.htm > > what we need is to reduce all those lines into : > > yum install adempiere > > or > > apt-get install adempiere > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Azrul Hasni MADISA > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> I was quite intimate with UNIX in the late nineties and later Linux. >> People say the same thing about "real" OS. That "real" OS is complex and >> downplaying that complexity will lead you to DOOOOM!! (followed by an evil >> laugh MUHAHAHA!!!) . And yet, Mark Shuttleworth proves that it does not >> have to be all complex all the time. In some use cases, it shoud/can be >> simple for some use cases. >> >> And thus, advance R&D need to be done on what can be simplified, what can >> not. How to simplify. Is simplicity really safe etc. etc. and thus the >> justification for the Center >> >> >> Azrul Sensei >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Marcus <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> ERP itself is never "simplicity" as in a next->next->next->wizard setup. >>> "ERP for the rest of us" is just downplaying the complexity of what it >>> really is. >>> Making it easy will just end up having it pre-configured with a lot of >>> settings that would not be usable for the next client. As for license >>> pricing and services, >>> yeah that one should be as simple as possible. >>> >>> marcus. >>> >>> >>> Boh Yap wrote: >>> >>> hi Red1 >>> >>> I've always supported you, and I've also been yr devil's advocate. >>> >>> I agree with Azrul, its 'simplicity' that sells. Adempiere as it is >>> now is too complex, granted that ERP is complex, but Mat Din Sdn Bhd >>> just needs soemthng that works without having to spend 3 mths training >>> and 6 mths implementation. >>> >>> I one-click install CD is required, and due to the very wide usage of >>> ERP, perhaps that install CD should prompt the user with a few >>> questions - then create the config that he needs. Perhaps we can use a >>> few 'templates' for different industry and/or business types/profiles. >>> ie: templates for: >>> >>> 1. single outlet retail shop - your regular mom-pop grecery store with a POS >>> 2. multi-outlet retail shop with centralised/distributed store. >>> 3. manufacturer, that needs te usual pls supply-chain, MRP >>> 4. export manf. that needs all of above + foreign currency accounting >>> 5. some gov organisation.... >>> .... >>> and the list goes on. >>> >>> Notice what is needed is: >>> >>> - Market knowledge - which of the above profiles are most in demand >>> (or most profitable - in terms of revenue, startgic importance etc...) >>> >>> - Domain knowledge - someone who knows enough about each of those >>> insdustry from the biz. perspective. >>> >>> - Technical knowhow - to develop/code the 'smart configurator'. >>> Or maybe make these into plugin modules so different ppl can >>> contribute 'configurators' for different business types, perhaps even >>> 'sell, make money' from licensing these!! >>> >>> Now bundle Adempiere, together with a bunch of 'smart configurators' >>> on a CD and I'm sure it'll be a success. Also copy Canonical, by >>> sending a CD to anyone who emails in for one.... >>> >>> Also may set up a "Configurator App Store" like an iPhone store, and >>> let others contribute and sell... of course there will be offers for >>> paid consultancy etc.... >>> >>> (my take on OSS is like IKEA furniture, it comes in a flat box with >>> "some assembly required", you have to fiddle with it to assemble it. >>> If you can't or are too lazy to read the instructions and do it >>> yourself, then you can pay someone to do it for you, but unfortunately >>> Msian's are too lazy and too ignorant... don't understand the concept >>> of RTFM, for OSS... no?) >>> >>> >>> 2 Questions to yr proposal... >>> >>> 1. Why restrict it to ERP? >>> If anything, healthcare is even more important! As per my presentation >>> >>> "FOSS + Healthcare = lives" ... its about saving lives. >>> >>> And we as Masians have a shot at this... I'll tell you why when we >>> meet... >>> >>> And from a politcal and social responsibility POV, has a better chance >>> of >>> getting funding. >>> >>> 2. Can't really claim Adempiere as a Msian product right? >>> How many Msian developers in there? ...;-) >>> ...hence M'sian gift to the world? >>> (maybe need another branding, like Ubuntu & Linux? - MyDempiere & >>> Adempiere ;-) >>> >>> As I've always said and Azrul has pointed out, Msia needs more >>> technical ppl, >>> hard-core coders, who can develop real kick-ass applications. >>> But sadly, few wanna be coders... even in the MyGOSSCON BOF, >>> not many attended the 'real technical' BOF sessions! by us Python guys >>> ;-) >>> >>> (or because they were not into Python and are PHP, Java... c'mon get >>> over >>> the language issues, its the core concepts, that count.) >>> >>> And I'll definitely say, its not easy being a programmer, you need >>> a fair level >>> of intelligence, hard-work and creativity. Oh, I think M'sians are >>> smart enough, >>> at least to avoid being a programmer! (sic) >>> >>> And so long as this situation remains, we'll be 2nd class citizens >>> in the internet world, we are only consumers, we'll never be creators >>> of technology. And those of us who are in the programming craft, as >>> Azrul sez, will eventually find work outside of M'sia, (although, with >>> the internet, we don't have to leave, but may continue to live here... >>> ;-) >>> >>> (this has always been my rant.. Msians must develop the skills... but >>> are too afraid to do so.) >>> >>> As Alan Kay (inventor of the GUI, concept of notebook, Smalltalk.. and >>> a super geek) says: >>> >>> "In the future if someone doesn't know how to use a computer, it will >>> be like being illiterate, the world of knowledge will be shut off from >>> him. But if you he does not know how to program, its like he does not >>> know how to write, he will not be able to create..." >>> >>> He said this in the early-mid 80's, and its this quote that got me >>> back into being a programmer after I had been a 'manager' for a while. >>> ;-) >>> >>> >>> ..there, did my rant prevent 2012 from massive volcanic eruptions, and >>> an cataclysmic asteroid colision? >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 5:43 PM, red1 <[email protected]> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Azrul, thanks for the Ubuntu proof. In a way before Mark Shuttleworth throw >>> in some dimes into the Linux pot, it was a world devoid of Ubuntu. Imagine >>> that IBM was a heavy investor of Linux but where did the money or focus go? >>> Of course into heavy server-side that it holds dearly close to its money >>> chest but not for the simple user in the street. >>> >>> Thus it proves very clearly that a single 1 shot can do wonders, what IF the >>> same happens with ADempiere? If a millionaire just say, 'heck, here is some >>> dimes' to us. >>> >>> In fact ADempiere enjoys that in some way. Kai Schaeffer who was here on >>> MDec's ticket was such millionaire businessman who donated to host ADempiere >>> Berlin Conferences. He also contributed the Windows Installer where its >>> truly next, next, finish for us. He forms the ADempiere Deutschland e.V when >>> i asked him to. >>> >>> As for here in Malaysia, thank Allah that there is hope. I am confident the >>> few unis taking their grants and backing me (thus the CREATE idea is >>> actually for them). I have a good offer now, but i am not desperate.. just a >>> few more slides and i shall nail it. Your name is in it too! :) >>> >>> On your supportive pitch to MDec, thanks alot. I was trying to give some >>> merdeka joy to them. It is this extra mile or 14 miles to be exact to reach >>> the Kuang farm! >>> >>> I am not a good salesman. If there is some way i can tell MDec to tell the >>> PM that MDec has done too much. It only has to change one small wire and >>> THIS IS IT! >>> >>> If this gets to the PM it is not nice as it can be seen as potong jalan. I >>> have retired from politics. I just want to bring up my country. Period. >>> >>> Azrul Hasni MADISA wrote: >>> >>> One market we should also focus on is the small time organization market >>> (note it doesn't have to be SMEs, it could be your Persatuan Pekebun Kecil >>> whatever somewhere). I really hope Adempiere could follow the ubuntu model. >>> Call it "The ERP for the rest of us". >>> >>> 1) Single CD + a few clicks install >>> 2) Dead simple to use >>> 3) Integrated with online services (for example, for organizations, a link >>> to ROS, for SME, maybe to LHDN etc.) >>> 4) Mobile components >>> 5) Dead simple addons - ala Android Marketplace >>> >>> Then, just like Ubuntu skyrocketed Linux from the backwaters of OSS, can >>> Adempiere make most Malaysian realize the importance of an ERP. >>> >>> And thus the Center Red1 proposes. >>> >>> And frankly, just like Canonical has fulltime employees, so should the >>> Center. Volunteers have done wonders for Adempiere, imagine what people can >>> put in if they focus 100% of their working energy on it. >>> >>> >>> This is a once in a lifetime oppurtunity for MDeC*. I, as an individual, do >>> not necessarily need this center. I can earn my living, work my way the >>> usual way and have a happy life and family. Worst case scenario, I just move >>> out of this country (and lately I've been thinking more and more about doing >>> just this) and I'm sure any talented Malaysian dev. out there are in the >>> same situation. MDeC, please listen... and I'll try to be as polite as >>> possible, we, as developers can survive well enough if Red1's center is not >>> created. We'll find jobs, we'll raise our family and earn enough to pay for >>> a vacation once in a while. We do not need the center per se, but Malaysia, >>> as a country, and MDeC as the caretaker of the country's ICT, SOOO DO NEED >>> IT. If not, 100 years from now, in our history books, MDeC would probably be >>> just a footnote somewhere instead of a whole chapter if this center is not >>> set up. Frankly, I'll be patient and see if MDeC takes the challenge that >>> Red1 proposed, but this is probably the final straw. If not, a whole bunch >>> of us are probably would leave the Malaysian OSS scene and probably the >>> county. >>> >>> *If you are an MDeC employee, please do not think of my rant as an attack on >>> you personally. I do think that people in MDeC are also individuals who >>> choose to work with MDeC when they can pour their talent somewhere else. >>> Heck, I know a few good people in MDeC who were courted by oversea companies >>> and yet they decline the offer for the love of the country. If anything, >>> they are more into it then us developers. I believe that people in MDeC are >>> heroes but some of the policies are real time-wasters. >>> >>> Azrul Sensei >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 4:32 PM, red1 <[email protected]> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> After a short struggle this year long, i can now smile that at least few >>> people can now come up to me and say, >>> >>> "Mr. Redhuan. I finally am enlightened of what the hell you been >>> screaming about. FOSS is not about the code. It is about branding in a >>> blue ocean." >>> >>> Inspired by such new taliban, I spent these 2 days writing up a simple >>> plan for us to consider as Malaysia's Gift to the >>> world.http://www.red1.org/MSC8.pdf >>> >>> It is exported from AppleMac Keynote (manyak dasyot the animation, so if >>> you really wana see the movie, belanja me free teh tarik). >>> >>> So please discuss or vote for acceptance and make it our key flagship. >>> Whether it become reality or not we leave to Allah. Our tugas is done. >>> >>> WARNING: If you do not vote or counter then your tugas to >>> Allah/Karma/Tao/Money is not done. In a few years its 2012, possibly a >>> magnetic pole shift, sending chaos and 90% world population to alam >>> lain. 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