Who leads the internal team? We should have him on OSCONF. Azrul
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Kamal Fariz <kamal.fa...@gmail.com> wrote: > Which portal would that be? Gov.my? > > > On 22-Dec-2009, at 3:06 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah <rajaiskand...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > well, i have more news to scare the shit out of the vendors > > the number 1 government portal in malaysia was implemented inhouse by the > agency. this included the cms and load balancing - handling 1 million hits. > > rated top by mdec. and rated highly in the world by united nations. that i > would call a world class implementation. > > in 2004, this inhouse implementation for a top rated website is unheard of. > and 5 years from now, we will probably find more. > > > > On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Eric Yeoh < <msiantuxlo...@gmail.com> > msiantuxlo...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Gotta start at the school and tertiary levels. Most of the lecturers will >> only know how to code with MS technologies. >> >> Linux Varsiti is a good attempt but there needs to be a more centralised >> and concerted attempt. >> >> As for Govt, well they will just outsource (good news for service >> providers!). If no budget or something that cannot be readily.easily >> outsource quite possibly they will abandon the project. >> >> I am no coder but am willing to help.... >> >> Eric >> >> On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 12:52 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah >> <<rajaiskand...@gmail.com> >> rajaiskand...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> current experience with 2 ministries in putrajaya >>> >>> ministry #1 - tender specifically requests for oss. besides cost, the >>> purpose is not to be locked down with licensing. and they can share with the >>> 6 agencies under them. >>> >>> ministry #2 - already knew what feature was needed and required oss so >>> that they can integrate with existing system. >>> >>> other 'overlooked' reason for oss: >>> >>> 1. inhouse development. very few ict officers like to fill long >>> forms, write kertas kerja, and wait till next year to have a software. >>> and >>> typically, users wanted it yesterday. so the alternative is download oss >>> and >>> have it running by the end of the week. >>> 2. features: spent the whole of the last 2 weeks reading through 58 >>> oss case study awards. what struck me was that 80% of them regarded oss >>> as >>> superior (the other 20% was in desktop deployments) >>> >>> at the moment the situation is still in the 'trial' stage which means >>> that they are using whatever is available. >>> >>> i constantly look at tenders / requests for quotes specifically for web >>> based applications. more than half specified open source. most recent is >>> from a ministry which specifically requested development on joomla. >>> >>> and it scares the shit out of m$... cutting prices to the govt academics >>> by a huge 85%. tying up with php companies and sponsoring a booth at >>> mygosscon. coming up with installer for several oss cms for windows. >>> >>> instead of bitching, pitch one more time, >>> instead of blaming, fix one more bug >>> >>> we need lots more oss developers.... there are heaps more work that can >>> be done. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 10:14 PM, Eric Yeoh < <msiantuxlo...@gmail.com> >>> msiantuxlo...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Brian, >>>> >>>> I am sure he does. Since I was in R&D and now in Training, I never >>>> really got around looking at the numbers properly. >>>> >>>> Although I can never attest to its authenticity (or otherwise), from my >>>> experience dealing with agencies, there is seems to be a genuine interest >>>> in >>>> FOSS. >>>> >>>> As mentioned, I only fear that they will alway associate FOSS with Free >>>> as in cost rather than in Freedom. >>>> >>>> Eric >>>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 4:45 PM, BRIAN RITCHIE <<esqbrianritc...@gmail.com> >>>> esqbrianritc...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Eric, >>>>> >>>>> I am sure we can get Kaeru to revert on this if it is indeed his >>>>> figures. 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