Yes, the Flash IDE makes it much easier to understand the principles
we consider basic -- after all, you've got them visually in front of
you, can experiment with MovieClip hierarchies easily, and so on. But
it's not always an option, and not always necessary.
I don't see the osflash projects as a mere extension to the Adobe
tools. Depending on what you want to do and what kind of background
you have, they can be a true alternative. In any case, whe shouldn't
lock out developers without a "classical" Flash background.
Of course every prominent developer started with the Flash IDE --
until recently there was no viable alternative if you wanted to
produce an SWF. Well, thinking about it, I don't know if you consider
Daniel prominent, but if MTASC hadn't given him the opportunity to
create SWFs on Linux, he wouldn't have gotten into it and wouldn't
have come up with swfmill. His experience with the IDE is limited to
downloading the trial and then never using it because he didn't like
to reboot to Windows.
What I'm trying to say is that we can only gain from opening up to
developers from other backgrounds without insisting on them learning
it the classical way, just because "it was always done like that". The
threshold should be as low as possible.

Mark


On 9/5/06, Ralf Bokelberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hm, it was always my understanding, that osflash grew out of the need
> for tools, which Macromedia/Adobe couldn't oder didn't want to
> provide. Naturally these tools are not for beginners. That's what the
> Flash ide is for. I think, if you never get your hands dirty in the
> Flash ide, you are missing something, esspecially as a beginner. Every
> prominent developer started with the flash ide. Remember, it's not
> that i want to sell the Flash ide. It's about learning and
> understanding the whole concept of flash, eg. timelines, frames, etc.
> I think, if you never worked with the Flash ide, you'll never
> understand Flash completely.
>
> So the point is, people should start with the Flash ide, and if they
> encounter serious problems in their workflow, they should come back to
> osflash and see, what solutions are provided.
>
> Cheers,
> Ralf.

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