Dan,

You ask great questions! 

My take: like most of life, authorization is more nuanced than your statement 
below.

Like you, I believe everyone has 100% equivalent authorization AND they also 
carry the imprinting of habits, context, self-talk, existing relationships, and 
more that influence how they show up. Some will experience themselves as having 
100% authorization, some will test that assumption, others will observe and 
reserve judgment, and every other flavor in between. 

I have observed that with repeated use, people seem to experience an increasing 
sense of self-authorization. More take responsibility for what they love not 
just in Open Space but in life.

I know of no practice that lays the groundwork better for increasing 
self-authorization in social systems.

from sunny (at last) Seattle,
Peggy









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On Mar 31, 2014, at 7:06 AM, Daniel Mezick <[email protected]> wrote:

> This is very helpful for helping me understand your thinking. Thanks for 
> sending the rich detail and disclosure.
> 
> I am stuck. I continue to hold the belief that (quoting myself here...)
> 
> "Everyone...Sponsor included, has 100% equivalent authorization (100% 
> equivalent "right to do work" in the Open Space) as of the moment of opening 
> of the Bulletin Board and/or the opening of the Marketplace."
> 
> I wonder: if this is NOT actually true, how can the space be said to be truly 
> open? I wonder who has more "right to do work" than anyone else... as of the 
> opening of the Bulletin Board, and/or the opening of the     Marketplace, in 
> an Open Space meeting. 
> 
> Maybe there is no equivalence of authorization whatsoever in Open Space, and 
> I am simply barking up the wrong tree.
> 
> Daniel
> 
> 
> 
> On 3/31/14 9:41 AM, Michael M Pannwitz wrote:
>> Dear Dan, 
>> as mostly, there is none or very little detailed thinking behind me 
>> expressing the idea, that authority does not disappear just because an 
>> os-event is taking place, and there is no levelling of authority, which I 
>> assume you meant, when using the expression "equal standing". 
>> 
>> This is all observation and experience, data I have taken in. In my world, 
>> thats pretty important and utterly valid even if the stuff I observe might 
>> be seen completely different by other observers. 
>> 
>> Looking at myself, I have lots of authority of the kind that sort of oozes 
>> out of me when standing in a circle, looking every one in the eye, even if 
>> there are thousands and asking them to look around, at the person to the 
>> right and to the left of them, behind them, at the other side of the 
>> circcle, all the time slowly walking around the circle... after I have done 
>> that twice everyone is smiling, looking, focusing on each other away from 
>> me... and then my authority shifts as I say nothing about open space but 
>> talk about the facts of life (the principles) etc... and later I move in the 
>> authority of invisibilty and presence... 
>> 
>> I am not sure what happens to the participants but I have no data that would 
>> indicate them reaching equal standing as far as authority is concerned or 
>> that others will ignore the different kinds and levels of authority that is 
>> associated with others representing those, regardless of whether just 
>> assumed or in fact fact. 
>> 
>> There have been experiential settings in which I have participated, such as 
>> the desert game where the folks claiming to be authorities on how to survive 
>> in a desert lead the group to certain death, or Tavistock Laboratories where 
>> participants, me included, even though we had all the space and freedom we 
>> wanted to take, used their various authorities in intricate manners to 
>> re-create exactly the kinds of organisational strutures they came from. So, 
>> authorities are simply a fact of life, more or less useful, especially if 
>> adaptable in the face of surprises. 
>> 
>> What I do find very interesting, is your quest investigating 
>> my thinking! I have pretty much given up investigating my own thinking, let 
>> alone that of others. Seems to me that the only thing that works for my 
>> passion to have the forces of selforganisation do their thing (expanding 
>> time and space, if that is at all possible) is to concentrate on the things 
>> I can somehow control: set up a circle of chairs, etc. 
>> 
>> Have a great day 
>> mmp 
>> 
>> On 30.03.2014 16:17, Daniel Mezick wrote: 
>>> Michael, 
>>> 
>>> I am asking for help. May I investigate your thinking? 
>>> "...there is no such thing as an equal standing in authority terms." 
>>> Will you expose your detailed thinking behind your expression of this 
>>> one idea? 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 3/30/14 8:34 AM, Michael M Pannwitz wrote: 
>>>> Dear Dan and everyone, 
>>>> here are some bits from my experience: 
>>>> 
>>>> ---When I get a call or an email from someone asking me to facilitate 
>>>> an ost-event I tell them to please arrange a "contact" meeting that 
>>>> needs to be attended also by the person that will have the authority 
>>>> to say yes or no at the end (usually the person that would pay my 
>>>> fee). The purpose of the contact meeting is for the sponsor to find 
>>>> out, whether the prerequisites for an OST event are sufficiently in 
>>>> place. This meeting takes 60 to 90 minutes, no fee charged. 
>>>> This process has nothing to do with OST, its simply what is needed for 
>>>> any kind of intervention of any kind of man-made organisation that is 
>>>> embarking on such a venture. 
>>>> 
>>>> ---Participants in an OST event do not leave the authority bestowed on 
>>>> them in the wardrobe, there is no such thing as an equal standing in 
>>>> authority terms. What does happen is that folks differently bestowed 
>>>> with authority  will, in contrast to what they usually do, follow more 
>>>> freely their "passion and responsibility" which, it seems, in some way 
>>>> increases their non-bestowed authority... the expanded space for the 
>>>> forces of selforganisation, the real motor in an OST event, seems to 
>>>> have this effect. Everyone, all participants, fully well know the 
>>>> limitations that they will have to deal with "back in the asylum" when 
>>>> they follow their passion... and very often they are amazingly elegant 
>>>> and cunning in seeing their project through (responsible). That is why 
>>>> I encourage the folks in charge not to make any kind of promises 
>>>> regarding what they will do to encourage projects emerging from the 
>>>> ost event. Participants will get the conditions in place to see their 
>>>> projects through. 
>>>> 
>>>> ---Yes, again my experience, coercion, control and such do shut down 
>>>> open space, not completely though: I have seen the force in a dormant 
>>>> stage and becoming quite alive when the conditions are right 
>>>> (prerequisites in place)... isn't it our experience that big CONTROL 
>>>> seems to shut down just about anything? In OST events I have actually 
>>>> seen efforts of BiG control being met by counter-activity (this is 
>>>> sometimes the effect of facilitator intervention when a space-invader 
>>>> tries his stuff or, and even more effective, the "group" grappling 
>>>> with space invasion/attempts at control... these observations I have 
>>>> made when there is a really burning business issue and absolutely 
>>>> nobody has the foggiest idea regarding the solution, least the folks 
>>>> with "authority". 
>>>> 
>>>> I really impress myself with your passion, Daniel. Maybe because I 
>>>> also have been trying to refine my understanding, find precise 
>>>> language, get my hands onto, etc. what it is that happens in os-events 
>>>> or even in os-organisations. In my os-facilitator-career, I have 
>>>> increasingly given up trying to understand it and focus more on what I 
>>>> see happening... which has increased my faible for stories. By now, I 
>>>> know that stories are fact, right, my facts. 
>>>> 
>>>> Have a great Sunday, 
>>>> cheers 
>>>> mmp 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 30.03.2014 13:45, Daniel Mezick wrote: 
>>>>> Hi Michael, Everyone, 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm sorry there are coercive mandates happening in Berlin, and that you 
>>>>> have to experience them. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regarding the Sponsor for an OST meeting, 
>>>>> I am saying that I believe this person must have enough formal authority 
>>>>> ("sufficient+1") to be able to actually arrange, budget and convene the 
>>>>> meeting. And that the authority that the Sponsor holds is conferred to 
>>>>> him or her by the organization. Is this true in OST? 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regarding the Participants, 
>>>>> I am saying that I believe that after the Marketplace opens, the 
>>>>> intention and in fact the reality of OST is that everyone has an equal 
>>>>> standing in authority terms. At the start, no one person or group has 
>>>>> any more authorization to act than any other person, regardless of their 
>>>>> formally authorized role in the organization. Is this true in OST? 
>>>>> 
>>>>> For the record, I am not at all in favor of mandates. I am allergic to 
>>>>> them. I believe mandates and other forms of coercion strongly discourage 
>>>>> self-organization by the imposition of external authority over the 
>>>>> person or group. Self-organization is impossible in scenarios where 
>>>>> individuals and groups are not free to choose. Is this true in OST? 
>>>>> 
>>>>> This places out routinely EVERY SINGLE DAY in Agile adoptions. Formally 
>>>>> authorized leadership imposes Agile practices on teams while at the same 
>>>>> time encouraging teams to "self-organize". I for one have seldom if ever 
>>>>> seen it actually work that way. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> And so I have my questions about authority in Open Space. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm not being cute here: I'm hoping someone can help me break/refine my 
>>>>> model of OST as it pertains to formal and informal authority, in the 
>>>>> Open Space. I'm trying to use more precise language to explain what I 
>>>>> think is going on in OST. In my view, the 1 Law and the 5 Principles 
>>>>> make it clear everyone has equal informal authorization in OST, 
>>>>> regardless of their formal title. I some ways the formal titles are 
>>>>> suspended, as the space is held open for inquiry and dialogue. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> This is my current belief. I asking for help in determining if this 
>>>>> belief is close to truth. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Related Links: 
>>>>> http://newtechusa.net/agile/authority-and-power/ 
>>>>> http://newtechusa.net/agile/authority-explained/ 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards, 
>>>>> Daniel 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 3/30/14 5:23 AM, Michael M Pannwitz wrote: 
>>>>>> Dear Dan, Jamie and Paul, 
>>>>>> is there a new (5th or 6th) principle emerging? 
>>>>>> Such as: 
>>>>>> "Whoever is authorized is the right people?" 
>>>>>> Or 
>>>>>> "Whoever is mandated is the right people?" 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Or is there a new prerequisite for the unfolding of the forces of 
>>>>>> selforganisation in sight? 
>>>>>> In addition to the 4,5 or 6 that we are often concerned about? 
>>>>>> Such as: 
>>>>>> "High level of authorisation" 
>>>>>> or 
>>>>>> "High level of mandation" (Palines for mandate, have a look at this 
>>>>>> link 
>>>>>>> http://de.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Mandation 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Or are these thoughts simply a manifestation of "old-paradigm", 
>>>>>> remnants of the realm of control? 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Control? Wasn't that the effort to shut down selforganisation towards 
>>>>>> zero? 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Heavy stuff for a sundrenched Sunday morning in Berlin where I and the 
>>>>>> entire population (including dogs and cats and other pets kept in 
>>>>>> human housing) are suffering from having been robbed of an hours time 
>>>>>> by authorities that are mandated to do such stuff. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Oh yes, before I forget, there was the notion that "passion and 
>>>>>> responsibility" is all that is needed for "authorisation" (with the 
>>>>>> nagging suspicion that folks driven by passion and responsibility and 
>>>>>> even taking action under those influences walk through the walls and 
>>>>>> obstacles set up by those authorized to raise them as if they were 
>>>>>> thin air). 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Greetings from Berlin 
>>>>>> mmp 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 29.03.2014 21:57, Daniel Mezick wrote: 
>>>>>>> I am asking for help. Will you help me clarify my thinking? 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'm wondering if 100% equivalence in authorization for all 
>>>>>>> participants 
>>>>>>> is actually a key/defining characteristic of any genuine and authentic 
>>>>>>> Open Space event... 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> First things first. Definitions: 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Authority: The right to do specific work 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Authorization: The conferring of authority 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Formal Authority: Authorization conferred from the formal organization 
>>>>>>> to a person. Example: "the CEO". 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Informal Authority: Authorization conferred from peers, colleagues and 
>>>>>>> co-workers. Example: "emergent leadership". 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Now let's get into it. I currently think, and believe, that: 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 1. For an Open Space event inside an organization, the Sponsor must 
>>>>>>> occupy a role with substantial formal authorization, definitely more 
>>>>>>> than enough to actually authorize that OST event. The higher the level 
>>>>>>> of formal authorization of the Sponsor, the better it is for the event 
>>>>>>> overall. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 2. The Sponsor authorizes the participants- the "invitees"-- to meet 
>>>>>>> together, and do the specific work of exploring and investigating the 
>>>>>>> Theme. This "authorized work" is done in "authorized space"...in that 
>>>>>>> specific place, for a specific period of time. The Sponsor explicitly 
>>>>>>> authorizes all of the above and conveys this message after they stand 
>>>>>>> up, and before they sit down, at the opening. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 2. The Facilitator is formally authorized by the Sponsor to do the 
>>>>>>> specific work of OST event. Absent this authorization, the Facilitator 
>>>>>>> has no standing. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 3. This is the big one: Everyone else, Sponsor included, has 100% 
>>>>>>> equivalent authorization (100% equivalent "right to do work") as of 
>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>> moment of opening of the Bulletin Board and/or the opening of the 
>>>>>>> Marketplace. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 4. As the event progresses, authorization dynamics are in play. These 
>>>>>>> "informal authorization" dynamics occur continuously throughout the 
>>>>>>> day 
>>>>>>> in real time, moment by moment. Those who experience net increases in 
>>>>>>> levels of informal authorization as of the end of the meeting have 
>>>>>>> membership in the "emergent leadership" group. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I am very interested in what experienced folks think about the 
>>>>>>> validity 
>>>>>>> of the assertion in (3) above. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Ex the Facilitator, does everyone else actually have 100% equivalent 
>>>>>>> authorization in an OST meeting? Why or why not? 
>>>>>>> Is this 100% equivalence of authorization actually a key/defining 
>>>>>>> characteristic of any genuine and authentic Open Space event? 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks for any insight you may be able to provide, and 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Kind Regards, 
>>>>>>> Daniel 
>>>>>>> 
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