>From the book: "... you can say that everybody has the power of veto for decisions [...] However, it only works well for smaller subgroups (30 or less people). ..."
The book also talks a lot about is the consensus circle THE MAGIC OF THE CONSENSUS CIRCLE One good mechanism for arriving at a decision in a (defined) group is called a consensus circle. ... p. 165 On 16 October 2014 13:07, Lucas Cioffi via OSList < [email protected]> wrote: > Hello Thomas, > > "Consensus by veto" means anything that is not vetoed is treated as > consensus. The occupy movement made decisions this way. People could give > several hand signals to indicate their sentiment when someone else was > talking without having to talk over them. Here's a list on Wikipedia of > Occupy > movement's and signals > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_movement_hand_signals>. > > You'll see a hand signal for "hard block" which means the listener is > hearing something morally objectionable (i.e. they are vetoing it). By > defining consensus as "Not morally objectionable" (i.e. not vetoed) the > Occupy Movement was able to approve more member actions/initiatives than if > they went with "universally agreed upon" as their definition of consensus, > because their members were eclectic and unlikely to agree 100% on > everything. > > I witnessed that OccupyDC's Facilitation Committee would change the > operational definition of consensus as the months went by so that even 1 or > 2 vetoes were still seen as consensus when they wanted to have fewer > roadblocks from their own members. So the veto number is variable as a > facilitation technique. > -- > Lucas Cioffi > Co-Founder, QiqoChat.com <http://qiqochat.com/> > Charlottesville, VA > 917-528-1831 > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 8:32 AM, Thomas Perret via OSList < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Thanks John, great. I read your notes and this one raised a question: >> >> "for necessary decisions (e.g. directing group resources), 'consensus' by >> veto is better than democratic decision-making by majority vote" >> >> What do you/the book mean by "consensus by veto" here? >> >> Thomas >> >> >> On Oct 16, 2014, at 3:51 AM, John Baxter via OSList < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hello Wave Riders >> >> I've just finished reading Swarmwise, the tactical manual for organising >> community like a Pirate (i.e. Sweden's Pirate Party). >> >> Open Space methods are threaded through it, both overtly and implicitly. >> I thought it was an excellent vindication of the hunch that Open Space can >> be applied in very specific ways to processes much bigger than single >> events. >> >> I did have an initial reaction to how strong the influence of the >> individual leader-champion is. But I came to the conclusion that sort of >> leadership fits the given objectives, and is no different than the sponsor >> setting the topic in OST. >> So a heads up, you may have the same averse reaction to ego-centric >> language that I did... but please forgive it in order to see the wisdom >> within. >> >> Recommended reading for all Wave Riders: Swarmwise >> <http://falkvinge.net/2013/02/14/swarmwise-the-tactical-manual-to-changing-the-world-chapter-one/> >> . >> >> Also if of interest, my notes >> <http://www.evernote.com/shard/s133/sh/265720ee-aa87-4377-9508-d191d48a966a/3ad0177a6c8434e45420dba77f54ff61> >> (*not a permalink*) >> >> Cheers >> >> *John Baxter* >> *CoCreate Adelaide Facilitator, Director of Realise consultancy* >> CoCreateADL.com <http://cocreateadl.com/localgov%E2%80%8B> | >> jsbaxter.com.au <http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/> >> 0405 447 829 >> | >> @jsbaxter_ <http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OSList mailing list >> To post send emails to [email protected] >> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OSList mailing list >> To post send emails to [email protected] >> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >> >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > OSList mailing list > To post send emails to [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > > -- Kári Gunnarsson markþjálfi [email protected] https://www.facebook.com/heimsmynd (+354) 864 5189
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