Hi everybody, I understand that this is a fascinating discussion. There are very good reasons to move to github and there are very good reasons to stay at gitorious. So this is not an easy decision.
I suggest that we postpone this discussion after the ownCloud 4 release because we are all very busy at the moment and we won´t move in the next few days anyways. Cheers Frank On 03.05.2012, at 19:05, Klaas Freitag <[email protected]> wrote: > On 03.05.2012 16:14, Stefan Göckeritz wrote: > Hi, > >> I agree, 100%! > Good that you agree ;-) > >> Let's move... > I think this discussion should come to a productive state now to let us make > a decision finally. > > Here is once again a brief comparison of the two systems: > http://www.wikivs.com/wiki/GitHub_vs_Gitorious > > Please note one very important point, a lot of replies in this thread showed > that it was not clear: Github is NOT free software. That means: If they > decide to switch off, charge, drop users as they like (!) etc., we can NOT > set it up (or have somebody else setting it up) in a similar manner. Thats > different with gitorious. That is free software, it can be freely downloaded > and installed elsewhere if gitorious vanishes. Note the difference, > especially for a project like us that names free software as that argument > for data security and privacy. Please think about that again. > > Now it seems that most contributors to ownCloud do not care so much about > that and want to switch to github. The arguments are understandable, its more > useable, its very vibrant, gitorious has ongoing problems with availability > and a not so handy workflow. > > But before we jump in and move, lets collect answers to the following > questions (and maybe more questions) and than come up with a public > transition plan which everybody can agree on: > - We have releases. These should be taken under consideration when talking > about the timeframe of the move. > - The timeframe when the transition runs. > - Who moves the repos? > - Are there repos to rename while we're over it? > - How do we migrate users? > - What consequencies has the github model/licensing for ownCloud Inc.? > - maybe more. > - (Add your question here) > > Maybe all these questions are answered easily, but they should be listed, > answered and finally the base for a decision. A move will be effort and that > should be decided wisely about. > Who volunteers to drive that? > > Regarding the bugtracker, do we agree that it is no option to switch to the > github bugtracker? First, it sucks - as Jans example OpenHatch from below > also says. And second, I doubt that we can migrate users and bugs > successfully from buggenie to github bugtracker. And we can not scare off > ownCloud contributors by wasting their bugs they entered so far. > > Our buggenie is not as genious as it needs to be for us, but thats a > different story and I am sure we can improve that. Different email ;-) > > thanks, > > Klaas > >> >> Am Donnerstag, 3. Mai 2012 16:10:06 schrieb Jan-Christoph Borchardt: >>> By the way, OpenHatch (http://openhatch.org ) recently moved from >>> Gitorious to Github for similar reasons as the issues we have: >>> http://lists.openhatch.org/pipermail/devel/2011-November/002521.html >>> >>> I can only emphasize that Gitorious is also a centralized service. I >>> can not use my account anywhere else, nor can I be sure they run the >>> code they purportedly do. They can shut down any minute – and in fact, >>> they have way more downtime or problems than Github. It often is a >>> pain to work with when it simply doesn’t do what it is supposed to do >>> – which is »just work, damnit«. >>> > > > _______________________________________________ > Owncloud mailing list > [email protected] > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/owncloud _______________________________________________ Owncloud mailing list [email protected] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/owncloud
