I never thought I'd be the one to come to MS defence here but... (day of firsts for me clearly)..
This is the ONLY move they have left to make if they truly want to compete. I for one have been calling Microsoft a bunch of pu$$**ies for sitting on the sidelines for far to long. They have been squandering their potential for way to many years now around this entire discussion but .. and i say but lightly.. they have however grown a pair and put their entire strategy on the line (despite its marketing flaws). In order to unite the platform(s) to a more UX centric development story they've simply had to sacrifice the Silverlight UX piece to WP7 and swap it out for the work they are doing with Windows8. Silverlight was never meant to be shimmed onto the phone but given teh amount of resets and poor decision making by executives etc during the 2005-2009 leadership / gfc craziness it's what you have before you today. Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8 still have a ways to go to convince the market that they can not only live up to the hype but can sustain an adoption curve long enough to take on trust. Keeping in mind right now Microsoft's entire product strategies to date have been based around a lot of failed trust namely around "adopt xyz because we will promise to be here for a long time" (insert WPF, Silverlight etc). As for the blood spill that follows from Wp8 put it this way, I'd hate to have Nokia stock right now but that being said if you truly want to gamble away, I'd buy Nokia stock as of now as if they can hold out long enough to get some Windows Phone 8 traction - and - Windows Phone 8 actually becomes a consumer hit, then now would be a good price :D ($2.50 a share compared to it used to being $58.00 share). --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 3:58 PM, mike smith <[email protected]> wrote: > On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Bill McCarthy < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> |America seems to have more carrier locked and subsidised phones. Now we >> can >> |buy them like that here, but it seems to work out better buying the phone >> |separate from carrier. >> >> Really ? What price is the latest smart phone outright, about $600 ? >> Over 24 months, that's about $25 a month. The carriers generally only >> charge about half that with a package, so a saving of about $300 or more. >> >> Ok, Samsung Galaxy Note - buy outright $500 - buy on Telstra plan $1776 >> over 24 months MINIMUM >> > > http://www.telstra.com.au/latest-offers/samsung-galaxy-note/index.htm > > > http://www.topbuy.com.au/tbcart/pc/Samsung-Galaxy-Note-N7000-I9220-Unlocked-Carbon-Blue-3g-And-Next-G-5-3-Inch-Mobile-Gps-Phone-p134153.htm?utm_source=TopBuy_Google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=TBDF-XX86742 > > Ok, you still need a plan to run the phone, but not one that costs near > that much. > > > > >> >> >> |-----Original Message----- >> |From: [email protected] [mailto:ozdotnet- >> |[email protected]] On Behalf Of mike smith >> |Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 2:41 PM >> |To: ozDotNet >> |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced >> | >> |On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:13 PM, David Kean <[email protected]> >> |wrote: >> | >> | >> | (This is my own opinion, please do not confuse it with >> Microsoft's, or as >> |representing Microsoft's. While I contribute code to Phone 8, I don't >> work on the >> |team, and am not privy to why behind their marketing/engineering >> decisions) >> | >> | >> | >> | >> |:) >> | >> |I'd comment on a gmail account were I you... If I was commenting >> officially on >> |HP matters I work with, I'd use my HP domained email. >> | >> | >> | Take a step back, how many years do you really think it will >> actually take >> |for Phone 8 apps to become more prevalent than the Phone 7 apps? How many >> |of you will have already replaced your phone by then? >> | >> | It's been a while since I've owned a phone in Australia so I >> don't know >> |how it works there, but in the US everyone gets a new phone every 18 - 24 >> |months (depending on if the carrier lets you upgrade early), by the time >> Phone 8 >> |has released, and has enough apps to worry you, you'll already be at the >> start of >> |a new upgrade cycle. >> | >> | >> | >> |America seems to have more carrier locked and subsidised phones. Now we >> can >> |buy them like that here, but it seems to work out better buying the phone >> |separate from carrier. >> | >> | >> | >> | -----Original Message----- >> | From: [email protected] [mailto:ozdotnet- >> |[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy >> | Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 9:03 PM >> | To: 'ozDotNet' >> | Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced >> | >> | Seriously ? Is that the new Microsoft policy, just dump old >> customers ? I >> | see they said 18 months of updates in regards to windows 8. >> | >> | For me, I see Windows Phone as something that's evolving, and >> thought, >> |and expected it, just like the iphone does, bring customers along with >> them, not >> |just abandon them every three years or so (well last time it was three >> years >> | ago) >> | >> | The sad part is I can't honestly tell people they should buy a >> windows >> |phone today. And it's a paint to have to tell them, yes last week when I >> said to >> |buy a windows phone that was all we knew, now we know your phone will be >> |obsolete come September. >> | >> | >> | |-----Original Message----- >> | |From: [email protected] [mailto:ozdotnet- >> | |[email protected]] On Behalf Of David Kean >> | |Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 1:45 PM >> | |To: ozDotNet >> | |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced >> | | >> | |I don't why the unhappiness, clearly you were happy with the >> device >> | |when >> | you >> | |bought it, why do you care that a newer device sometime in the >> future >> | |is >> | coming >> | |out? >> | | >> | |-----Original Message----- >> | |From: [email protected] [mailto:ozdotnet- >> | |[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy >> | |Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 6:48 PM >> | |To: 'ozDotNet' >> | |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced >> | | >> | |Now I'm really grumpy... My lumia 800 isn't that old, but now >> | |apparently >> | it is :( >> | | >> | | >> | ||-----Original Message----- >> | ||From: [email protected] [mailto:ozdotnet- >> | ||[email protected]] On Behalf Of David Burela >> | ||Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 4:52 AM >> | ||To: ozDotNet >> | ||Subject: Windows Phone 8 announced >> | || >> | ||For anyone interested, I put my rough notes online of the >> Windows >> | ||Phone >> | ||8 announcement. >> | || >> | ||http://bit.ly/MrWEze >> | ||Some highlights: >> | || >> | ||* Shared core between Windows 8 & Windows Phone 8. >> | ||* New user definable tile sizes (like Windows 8). Can now >> have 1/4 >> | |sized >> | ||mini tiles to give it more flavour. >> | ||* A new "company hub" that corporate IT can display apps and >> |deploy >> | |from >> | ||their internal servers. >> | ||* Support for new high resolution screens (720p) >> | ||* Existing device aren't upgradeable to 8.0, but existing >> devices will >> | |get a >> | ||7.8 update that will give some of the features, such as the new >> tiles. >> | || >> | ||http://davidburela.wordpress.com/2012/06/21/my-notes-from-the- >> |windows- >> | ||phone-8-announcement/ >> |<http://davidburela.wordpress.com/2012/06/21/my-notes-from-the-windows- >> |||phone-8-announcement/<http://davidburela.wordpress.com/2012/06/21/my-notes-from-the-windows-%7C%7C%7Cphone-8-announcement/> >> > >> | || >> | ||-David Burela >> | ||Regional Technical Evangelist >> | ||Infragistics >> | | >> | | >> | | >> | | >> | | >> | >> | >> | >> | >> | >> | >> | >> | >> | >> | >> | >> | >> |-- >> |Meski >> | >> | >> | http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv >> | >> |"Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, >> you'll get it, >> |but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills >> >> >> > > > -- > Meski > > http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv > > "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, > you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills > >
