People compare Surface to iPads because thats the conditioned response ... go to any website that sells the Surface Pro /RT and look at what category its placed under...
I call this "breaking into jail" (very easy to get in, hard to get out). --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Tony Wright <tonyw...@gmail.com> wrote: > I don't believe that anyone buys a Surface Pro for the app store alone. In > fact, the biggest issue with the Surface Pro in particular is the abundance > of apps that are available that are not in the app store. > > It's also why I don't think you can compare the iPad to the Surface Pro - > they actually have different purposes altogether. > > Of course, the same logic makes the standard Surface RT dead in the water, > although they do have a small benefit in running Office and offering a > browser, but that's about all. Personally, I don't think they are worth the > money. > > I personally think people will tire of the Surfaces and go back to thin > form factor laptops again, mainly because the keyboards are so much better, > but also because of their robustness and they are also pretty lightweight > when travelling. > > > On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Scott Barnes <scott.bar...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Good straw-man test to undertake - how many times a day you check the >> AppStore in Windows 8.1 ..moreover how man times a week and would you >> recommend an App to people outside your industry that exists on Windows 8 >> should they ask "Why should I get Windows 8.1" >> >> If you are struggling to come up with an answer or have to spend a few >> moments to think about how that question could be answered - imagine the >> average consumer who has absolutely no care-factor in Microsoft community >> ongoings... Until that gets disrupted enough to the point where it becomes >> an adoption similar to Google (Ie remember the day you switched over to >> Google?) there is no incentive its just behaviour of use. >> >> To measure UX you apply cognitive dissonance as the test - Incentive vs >> Behaviour ... If the user trajectory of incentive of use matches their >> actual usage (behaviour) you have a bliss point product .. if the incentive >> decays in a short time (say 30 days after purchase) you have a fail. The >> incentive will decay (it always does) but its a question of how long you >> can defer that decay that succeeds. >> >> Surface Pro has to figure out what the Behaviour of the users actually >> are and then it can start to plot the incentive of use thus measuring why >> the hell people aren't happy with the products strategy. >> >> Instead they went "Quick throw more hardware at the problem it will solve >> itself once developers get excited to build" ... then straight after that >> they then serve developers no incentive to adopt the new by constantly >> telling them their current adoption is wrong (vicious replenishment cycle >> that benefits Microsoft and less the developer). >> >> >> --- >> Regards, >> Scott Barnes >> http://www.riagenic.com >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Nathan Chere <nathan.ch...@saiglobal.com >> > wrote: >> >>> The crux of what I’m talking about boils down to Windows Store, so >>> both.**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: >>> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Schaefer >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 24 September 2013 2:37 PM >>> >>> *To:* ozDotNet >>> *Subject:* RE: Mark II**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Are you talking about the Surface RT? Or the Surface Pro? They’re two >>> different products.**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Cheers >>> Ken**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [ >>> mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>] *On >>> Behalf Of *Nathan Chere >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 24 September 2013 2:34 PM >>> *To:* ozDotNet >>> *Subject:* RE: Mark II**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> I reckon Microsoft would be happy if they could get 50 good applications >>> too.**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Even then, it’s not enough to have “good” apps. They need *exclusive *apps… >>> and really, if you have an idea even remotely worth doing something with, >>> why in your right mind would you choose Windows Store of all places to make >>> it exclusive to?**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> … which ultimately means *apps aren’t enough*. The *platform* is a >>> failure. With the Surface they chose to consolidate Windows (desktop) and >>> Windows Mobile while ignoring virtually all of the key strengths of the >>> products they were bastardising (especially with RT). They’ve limited their >>> niche to the kind of people who want to do more than they can with the >>> currently popular idea of a ‘tablet’ but don’t want the power and >>> versatility of a full-blown laptop. **** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Had they gone down the road of Windows Mobile 7 with an *optional but >>> default* app store instead of the almost complete re-imagining which >>> was Windows Phone 7 (and 7.5, 8 etc) I imagine they would have built on the >>> slice of the enterprise market they had with prior Windows Mobile instead >>> of almost completely alienating the enterprise, continued to appeal to the >>> hobbyist and amateur developer market (increasingly so with XNA – which >>> they’ve also canned, another brainfart) and provided a convenient medium >>> for accessing content for the average consumer. The pre-requisite of Zune >>> to do anything useful reeks of all the fail of iTunes. Even though they’ve >>> limited piracy, there’s virtually nothing in the store worth pirating >>> anyway. Because no-one wants to use it, which means no-one wants to develop >>> for it. I’d much rather target a platform with 60%-95% piracy rate >>> (depending on who you believe) and a paying customer base of 100s of >>> millions than a platform with 5-20% piracy rate (also depending on who you >>> believe) but a single completely broken store with no quality control (even >>> rewarding people for shit apps – “quantity over quality”) and a distinct >>> minority customer base of whom the paying customers are an even more >>> fragile minority.**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> But why learn from the mistakes and failings of Windows Phone? Why not >>> sink the tablet market as well, and do all we can to take down the desktop >>> in general while we’re at it?**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> </rant which started off as a one-liner but I get carried away so >>> apologies for any beating of any dead horses and drawing of long bows>** >>> ** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [ >>> mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>] *On >>> Behalf Of *Ian Thomas >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 24 September 2013 1:23 PM >>> *To:* 'ozDotNet' >>> *Subject:* RE: Mark II**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> That’s the usual cynical review, but it did add a few things I didn’t >>> know about the docking station, the ability to run 2 screens, extra USB >>> ports (on the Pro2, one of them is USB 1.0 – really?), and the Power Cover >>> is also usable on the Surface Mark I.**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> The review leaves out extra RAM, card slot, cameras, size of the SSD, >>> and some other minor details, in favour of emphasising that the Windows >>> Store lags far behind the Apple and Google counterparts, with only 100K >>> apps. Do a need a choice of a million or more? I reckon if I could get 50 >>> good applications I would be quite happy. **** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Also, iirc one was to be 5-point touch, the other 10-point; one has USB >>> 2.0 the other USB 3.0 – I guess I need to search for some more complete >>> information. Isn’t there a mini DisplayPort or HDMI? **** >>> >>> ** ** >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Ian Thomas >>> Victoria Park, Western Australia**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [ >>> mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>] *On >>> Behalf Of *mike smith >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 24, 2013 9:29 AM >>> *To:* ozDotNet >>> *Subject:* Mark II**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> But will it be any better?**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> >>> http://www.gizmag.com/microsoft-surface-2-announcement/29147/?utm_source=Gizmag+Subscribers&utm_campaign=f7e5da2030-UA-2235360-4&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_65b67362bd-f7e5da2030-90318010 >>> **** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> SSDD >>> **** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> -- >>> Meski**** >>> >>> http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv**** >>> >>> >>> "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, >>> you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Click here <https://www.mailcontrol.com/sr/MZbqvYs5QwJvpeaetUwhCQ==> to >>> report this email as spam.**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> This message has been scanned for malware by Websense. www.websense.com* >>> *** >>> >> >> >
