I'm still confused - based on what we know now of the published nbn pricing, once all the sweetheart deals and honeymoon periods are over, what will a dedicated GB connection to my house cost under the nbn? What will an 'allocated' or whatever you want to call it 1gb connection cost? On Nov 13, 2013 10:26 AM, "Tony Wright" <tonyw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It’s still a lie. The whole premise is bogus. The lie is in claiming that > this was ever reasonable. > > > > I have Bigpond cable. It is supposed to give me 100Mbps down and 2Mbps up. > Does it always give me that? Of course not. It would never make business > sense. I share my capacity with others on the cable. Am I affected by the > fact that I don’t always get the top speed? Not really – in the entire time > I’ve had it I have been unaffected by this. I still get a decent download > speed the whole time, and it’s never dropped noticeably for me. When I work > from home, others are at work. Why would the ISP need to purchase a > continuous stream of data to support my use when there are others that > aren’t using theirs? > > > > So when Malcolm Turnbull says it’s going to cost $20,000 to connect up > every household, I call BS, because, quite simply, it was never suggested > before he said it, it was never practical, it was a statement designed to > deceive the public and it is complete and utter BS. > > > > > > *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: > ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Evrat > *Sent:* Wednesday, 13 November 2013 10:55 AM > *To:* 'ozDotNet' > *Subject:* RE: NBN Petition > > > > Turnbull’s point was - ‘don’t anyone think that the Labor NBN was going > to give everyone 100% always available unfettered 1 Gbps’ .. There’s no lie > in that .. > > > > *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [ > mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>] *On > Behalf Of *Tony Wright > *Sent:* Wednesday, 13 November 2013 8:23 AM > *To:* David Connors > *Cc:* ozDotNet > *Subject:* RE: NBN Petition > > > > Actually it was you trying to propagate Malcolm Turnbulls lie that a 1Gbps > was going to cost every household $20,000. But keep going trying to reflect > from this lie, by all means. > > Sent from my Windows Phone > ------------------------------ > > *From: *David Connors > *Sent: *13/11/2013 9:04 AM > *To: *Tony Wright > *Cc: *ozDotNet > *Subject: *Re: NBN Petition > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3614/6773 - Release Date: 10/22/13 > > On 12 November 2013 20:36, Tony Wright <tonyw...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Its quite simple really. The whole premise of CVC being delivered to 93% > of the population is bogus and deceptive. This is the statement that was > suggested. The statement was factually correct but based on a complete lie. > > > > Now you're not even making any sense at all. CVC is measured and charged > at the POI, not the customer connection. It applies to all traffic as it > egresses the NBN and enters the RSP. > > > > It is utterly bizarre to advocate for it. > > > > Anyway, as I said, both board members of NBN Co and Turnbull are on the > record as arguing either against CVC or for a massive reduction. We can > only hope they follow through. > > > > Go google nbn cvc > > > > ===== > > "Hackett has argued that the CVC costs are far too high, creating an > artifical scarcity in bandwidth that doesn't exist." > > > > ===== > > "Hackett has consistently criticised NBN Co’s CVC pricing over the past > six months, arguing that it was “insane” and warning that no small ISPs > would survive their walk through the “valley of death” transition from the > current copper network to the fibre future envisioned by the Federal > Government, if they wanted to maintain their spots as national providers." > > > > ===== > > "iiNet has ongoing concerns over the economics of NBN Co's current CVC > [Connectivity Virtual Circuit] charges. At the moment, the NBN's fee > structure treats the abundant capacity on the NBN as if a scarcity existed. > When access to abundance is irrationally constrained by NBN Co, bogus > scarcity is created – like an artificially enforced famine." > > > > ===== > > "NBN pricing in terms of access may be manageable if the CVC charge is > brought into the world of the rational. iiNet continues to be very > concerned about input costs from NBN Co which are disconnected from > real-world costs." > > > > ===== > > "Mr Malone said it was "incomprehensible" that international capacity > costs were much cheaper than domestic transmission, which he described as a > "chokepoint". "The cost of domestic transit is completely drowning out the > cost of international capacity," he said." > > > > ===== > > "After four years, it is fairly obvious that the previous NBN policy is an > absolute failure: both in terms of failure to execute timely construction > of the network and the inability to create a pricing framework, as > evidenced by excessive megabit transmission (CVC) charges, which would > actually encourage optimal use of the network and spur all those economic > benefits currently touted for FTTH. - See more at: > http://www.commsday.com/commsday-australasia/lynch-comment-regulators-yet-to-get-message-about-red-tape#sthash.peJmBqQb.dpuf > " > > > > ===== > > "Telstra says the current price of the CVC of $20 per megabit per second > assumes an average monthly usage of 30 gigabytes for each user, but this is > "already insufficient to cater for the requirements of end-users on > high-speed broadband networks and, in the near term, this will create > excessive CVC costs per end-user". > > > > - See more at: > http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/in-depth/nbn-charges-could-quadruple-telco/story-e6frgaif-1226689784957#sthash.7jFSW3oj.dpuf > " > > > > > > Telstra estimates CVC costs could quadruple by 2016. > > > > ===== > > "There is a material risk in the near term that RSPs will be forced to > either significantly increase end-user service prices or reduce the quality > in response to demand growth," its submission says. "When coupled with the > lack of ongoing regulatory recourse, there is significant risk and > uncertainty to RSPs that is likely to impact their investment decisions for > NBN-based services." > > > > Other telcos have backed the warning. > > > > - See more at: > http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/in-depth/nbn-charges-could-quadruple-telco/story-e6frgaif-1226689784957#sthash.7jFSW3oj.dpuf > > > > ===== > > "Speaking at the Communications and Policy Research Forum 2011, Market > Clarity’s Shara Evans suggested the fixed $20 per megabit per second CVC > fee should be reviewed – particularly as it had an impact on whether it was > economical for RPS to service regional Australia." > > > > > > > > David. > > > > >
