Silverlight/Jupiter (Windows XAML) started under ScottGu. From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 2:00 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Advice to Microsoft (not mine - the IT press and developer blogosphere)
Yeah you need to move on from Silverlight that ship sailed in 2009 and even if they wanted to put that broken toy back together again, it would be likely back under the hood of "WPF" (which is apparently today what they did by putting the WPF band "back together" - how or what that looks like is something I'd like to see more details on (if its true)). Based of my own interactions with ScottGu has always been "He knows", in that i've sat in rooms with him and watched him articulate the needs of the .NET community with freakish accuracy at times on capturing the pulse. The thing that (until now) people need to know is that being a CVP doesn't mean you have unmoderated power within the company, you have some control over your own charter sure but SVP/VP/P dudes still pull the strings. Him being in this new hot seat however does make things smart for the company, as again, i highly doubt he's been unaware of the issues of the day its just not been in his wheelhouse until now. I mean we've all seen a fairly significant change in Azure since he took over, so stuff gets done under his watch IF he has accountability and authority... thats the key :) I'm hoping he's behind the WPF reboot rumours i'm hearing more and more of. He understood better than most about the Silverlight/WPF strategy that was trying to be achieved and i'd say everyone who was in that team didn't doubt his commitment (until Windows team did their bullshit)... I personally think TheGu is finally making the comeback Rocky style.. (but i'm realistic enough to know the myth behind the man is still a bit of showman / myth) and i'm hoping we can all move past this bullshit .NET hate debt that Sinofsky banked and get on with this whole Ux Platform thing... as I AM NOT DOING JavaScript work... i refuse to adopt a language who's best frameworks are set-up solely to abstract you from that language? wtf? first clue you have a problem :) --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 6:19 PM, ILT (O) <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Silverlight "end-of-life" is a widely-felt gripe with developers, from my reading (eg, just today - Visual Studio Magazine - "Satya Nadella's To-Do List" [link<http://visualstudiomagazine.com/articles/2014/02/11/satya-nadellas-to-do-list.aspx>] - Andrew Brust). There are several offerings of advice to the new CEO, and to Scott Guthrie as interim head of Enterprise and Cloud at Microsoft. ________________________________ Ian Thomas Victoria Park, Western Australia From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Greg Keogh Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 2:49 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Migrating TFS Greg? Where are you? This is your cue. Ah! What! I'm awake ... I saw Silverlight mentioned as dead and abandoned. Guess what I've been doing all day today .. expanding a large Silverlight 5 app. We have no alternative, we've spent years developing the app and it's in use by some gigantic companies internationally. What the hell else can we do? Seriously! Discussion here last year pointed out that HTML5 is the only alternative to delivering rich apps on the browser desktop, but it groans under stress and I was warned that it just can't show attractive interactive charts of the type available with the ComponentOne SL libraries. Also, I have subscribed to MSDN Magazine (MSJ as it was) since 1993 and I agree that it is generally uninteresting these days because it's mostly about JavaScript, Stores, Azure, Windows RT and Windows 8 (the latest groovy stuff you're talking about). I find I flip through new issues and chuck them aside. I like academic articles, but Petzold's and McCaffrey's articles are so abstract they're in the twilight zone. My day to day development experience is consistently as infuriating and unpredictable as ever. Projects won't build, IIS goes haywire with code 500s, versions clash, dependencies are all over the shop, kits don't work, samples are simplistic, designers crash, I'm coding XAML UIs by hand, I have to learn WiX, I have to run VS2013 and VS2012 side by side due to COM problems, my VS2013 is diseased, and so on. I get up in the morning and the things that worked the night before are all on the fritz. Sometimes I miss punch cards. However, I don't want to fuel the jovial atmosphere of impending doom that pervades this forum ;-) Greg
