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Marilyn,
What is organic milk?
Just to share a story with you...I thought you might like.
When I fell pregnant with my second baby I was milking my own cow
and we had
our own lovely fresh milk.
Just to fill you in on what happpened -
this cow was calving and I had noticed her earlier in
the day. I went to check and she seemed to be having
problems.
I went over to her speaking gently - she had NEVER been touched by
us/or anyone before. So i thought she may run away.
She came to me and let me put a makeshift rope around her
neck.
I patted her and tied her to a tree. I then had the job of
turning the calf who
had presented wrong and was lodged. This involves getting in
there up to the
elbows at least and finding where the bones are stuck and
phyisically turning it.
Not an easy job on my own. The cow generally drops at this
pioint and it is worse
because they are then on their side and you have to lift the hip
bone off and pull,
and twist all at the same time.
Calf tied to 4 wheel motor bike - "moderate traction!" you
could say!
I eventually pulled it out. Unfortunately, it was dead,
they only last about 20mins once stuck.
All the time I was in labour with my baby i thought of
this poor cow and how she had
trusted me to help her and how I had been kinder and
nicer to that cow than the
doctors were being to me. I reassured her and comforted
her. They did not have
a nice word to say to me and I was so confused, still am, by
this horrid treatment.
I then went and untied her and she licked my arms (which had been
covered in membrane
and such). I gave her anti inflamatory injection, a calcium
drip and some grass and water.
The next day I went to see her and she came to me and sidled up for
me to milk her.
I milked her onto the ground and she stood. I then trained
her to come and be milked
morning and night.
She would walk between me and anything/anyone else in
the paddock.
I milked her for well over 6 months but as I got bigger with my
baby it became
hard to do so i sent her back out to the rest of the cows.
She still comes to me 4 yrs latter, has had other beautiful calves
and has
never had a problem again.
So nature really is wonderful and I can only say that was the best
milk!
PS: I was not offended or upset it is all just fascinating -
genetics,
intervention, moral dilemas etc etc.
Regards
Rhonda
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Date: Saturday,
August 24, 2002 21:38:58
Subject: Re:
[ozmidwifery] too hard to breastfeed
Rhonda: sorry that my reply was terse re the weakening
of the human gene pool. I got slammed by a genetics professor once when
I questioned the legitimacy of certain treatments for disease because by
enabling the people with the disease to survive to reproductive age
science/medicine was weakening the gene pool. I wasn't suggesting
eugenics I was just realising the down side to solving the puzzles of
genetically linked diseases. I am sorry because I did the same thing
(almost, he really toasted me) to you. I became aware later how eugenics
had played such a large role in the USA in the 1920-30's not to mention
Nazi Germany. It is a huge dilema within the field of reproductive
health and of course is rearing its head again with all the assisted
reproduction technologies, it seems not everyone has an altruistic gene
and even if they do it is now often over ridden or recessive to the
greed gene.
Can't really complain though (myself) went to yoga in the the
rainforest at The Sanctuary at Bingil Bay this morning. Paradise. And
now I am sitting at my laptop: what is wrong with me? Every other person
I speak to knows someone who has had a homebirth up here! Someone
(Marianne) has been busy and is receiving very positive vibes from the
locals. I have to say Far North Queensland really rocks! I have found
organic milk, and the most amazing health food shops not to mention the
cool cool creeks for swimming in. Yes it did rain for about 10 days
straight but now it is soo sunny and just lovely. I am having a
lovely time reconnecting with my old school friends ( born in Innisfail,
bred in Tully) bye, marilyn
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7:21 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] too
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sorry! It was late in the day - not thinking .
rhonda.
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Date:
Saturday, August 24, 2002 08:21:10
Subject: Re:
[ozmidwifery] too hard to breastfeed
Dear Rhonda
Please Can you shorten your lines so they
fit the screen??
Denise
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Sent: Saturday, August
24, 2002 12:36 AM
Subject: Re:
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Yes well having had a c/s at 27 weeks and Katelyn
surviving against all odds - we are probably also not
meant to be here and another weakness in the gene pool -
so to speak.
However, I also feel that the antibiotics which
reacted with me did have a hand in causing the early
onset of PE. So I guess we just have to
take responsability for our interventions and be
sensible. You could say that Homeopathy and
Natural remedies are also forms of intervention etc -
where does one draw the line. Of course we are
going to use the things available to us to help each
other - is that not why we have the ability to advance
our knowledge etc etc...
The only thing that i find is that perhaps where
intervention is actually required it does increase the
likelihood for future interventions - therefore do we
expect a natural increase in c/s rates or do we say that
well - there should still be a percent of those born via
c/s even for (acurate CPD) wthat will not inherit the
condition. Therefore we should not expect a
rise? Same for breastfeeding problems are they
social, economical, dietary or emotional or heredity
problems? That is another line
altogether....
I think i don't want to get into this now - it
could go on for ever!!!
Rhonda
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Date:
Friday, August 23, 2002 15:33:34
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] too hard to
breastfeed
I think that what you're saying makes sence,
Rhonda. I believe that everything that happens in
society is a natural way of reducing the
over-population. We have made interventions to
save lives, but the lives we have saved are not as
strong (or they would have survived without the
intervention) but being not as strong will be more
susceptible to other things that happen to them such as
(dare I say it) terrorism? AIDS? CJD? Other infection
that has no cure... meningococcal? It seems that
everytime we discover something new, something else pops
up to put us back in our place.
That said, if there was no c/s
and no formula, I wouldn't be here today! I'm
happy with that. While I am glad to be here,
perhaps the human race would be stronger (in whatever
sense of the word you would like to use) if there were
no c/s, no formula, etc and no me? :)
Jo
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On this note I often wonder if all these
interventions are breeding a weaker
race... if you lookat the fact that
the c/s that are actually needed and the babies
who do not die from starvation or malnutrition
as they used to. Are we not more dependant
on these interventions as they are why we
actually exist anyway. So it goes to
figure that some people will need c/s and some
will need to bottle feed as they probably would
have beent he ones who dies - the survival of
the fittest has gone and so if we are going to
stop this natural "culling" for want of a better
word, then does that not make us a weaker
race?
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Rhonda
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