Yummmm... Well said. Tere
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From: "Mary Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] birthing in dam water


> Hi Frank, in the spirit of good discussion, not hostility, I offer the
> thought that the people who tell me about pain free labour and birth are
all
> men.  Despite the thoughts behind the sentiments about why women fear
labour
> and feel pain, Even in Biblical times women felt pain and expressed the
> emotion and the physical feelings.  Yes, hypnobirthing makes women birth
> much more easily and without anquish as I believe it is a very good
> meditation/relaxation method which helps women "go with it" without
fighting
> it.  As a woman who birthed her 1st 38yrs ago, I was unafraid (and very
> ignorant) of labour and birth.  My mother told me it was easy, and it was.
> BUT it was still painful at a level I could deal with (only 3 hrs that I
> could identify.) I went on to birth 3 more and found it a very lonely
> experience (not frightening)  in the labour wards of tiny hospitals in
Papua
> New Guinea.  I think Lieve is more on the track.  There is nothing wrong
> with pain, it doesn't kill one and it is very character building.  I guess
I
> look at it as muscles working really strongly.  Marathon runners,
> triathaletes etc also feel the pain of muscles working hard.  I did a
stress
> test on a bicycle this week and believe me, the muscles did hurt!.  (Only
15
> mins, not 8-15 hrs).  Lets support women through their experience, not try
> always to rescue them. Cheers, MM
>
>
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