RE: [ozmidwifery] who is really there for women ? long

[Julie Clarke]

Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] who is really there for women ? long

Dear Justine We all know there are better models of care for example in Holland but to transplant that model here, rapidly would be about as difficult / impossible as trying to change our culture to the extent of making Australian’s speak the Dutch language. If we have birth centres, midwifery group practice, hospital based homebirth models and independent homebirth practitioners – then women have a range of options from which to choose. If we prevent one of these then we are limiting women’s choices. In solidarity, we need to be working together, to strengthen ALL options, which empower women and midwives to work together. For credibility, it needs to be evidenced based and collaborative in approach.  The Dutch collaborate. Warmest regards, Julie Julie Clarke CBE Childbirth and Parenting Educator ACE Grad-Dip Supervisor NACE Advanced Educator and Trainer   Transition into Parenthood 9 Withybrook Pl Sylvania NSW 2224. T. (02) 9544 6441 F. (02) 9544 9257 Mobile 0401 2655 30 email:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.transitionintoparenthood.com.au   -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Justine Caines Sent: Saturday, 11 October 2003 7:39 PM To: OzMid List Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] who is really there for women ? long   No Jan not just one to one midwifery, but stand alone midwifery where midwives and women decide what is best and when they need medical assistance.  To me Birth Centres continue to set women up while ever they are under medical control.  A penny for every time I’ve heard I went to the BC and wanted natural but I just couldn’t etc etc! NZ with it’s radically better system has not seen the outcomes it should have and the Kiwi’s say this is because of the medical protocols underpinning the system.  This is why we can’t settle for midwifery programs under the acute setting AT ALL! and this is what NMAP says.  I think some forget this periodically, but I DON”T!! In solidarity Justine Jan that is absolutely appalling!!! What was the outcome? What are you and the family going to do about it.                                       Linda Trewern     ----- Original Message ----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 7:46 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] who is really there for women ? long THEY ARE A HEALTHY HAPPY, WELL PREPARED AND CONFIDENT COUPLE BOOKED INTO BIRTH CENTRE AN TAKING MW ALONG 1ST BABE TERM PLUS 5 DAYS srom SMIDGEN OF MEC  CTG PERFECT 2hrs later and she is in good labour standing with monitor on working happily adjusted well with transfer and then-------- the grand pooh barr arrives minimal intro of self no intro of others [4 others in total] up on bed umm get the portable U/S and see what the PP part is. Oh its head first she says he glares at her they rush to his command TO GET THE U/S MACHINE I introduce myself he nods I ask if he knows I am an independent midwife he tells me he knows EVERY THING ignores me and turns to woman glumly he says I am sorry u have meconium do u know what that means? yes she said that is why I am here the baby has done a pooh and thetas probably normal but I will need to adjust my birthing plans to include the monitor meconium is serious HE SAYS yesterday a baby died because of meconium all nod the young dad to be bravely said but our baby looks great on monitor nothing to do with it this baby was on monitor and by the time we got to theatre it was dead sigh meconium we could do a c/Ds now and hope for best she looked defeated he cried in fear and they all stood behind him looking grave and  nodding and I thought wow is this for real? This is why one to one midwifery care from a known midwife must happen to stop this abuse Jan