Doesn't mention NAT penetration, interestingly. jul wrote: > http://shlang.com/talks/20080528-BitTorrent-position-IETF-P2P.pdf > > On Dec 1, 2008, at 3:06 PM, Serguei Osokine wrote: > >> On Monday, December 01, 2008 travis kalanick wrote: >>> If uTorrent's UDP implementation results in a more aggressive >>> TCP, there is certainly the possibility that uTorrent could >>> create massive FAIL on the Internets. >>> >>> Anyone who's created/tuned a distributed-UDP-based-TCP-like >>> protocol (e.g. David Barrett, Matthew Kaufman, Alex Pankrotov) >>> knows the delicate nature of how distributed-TCP-in-UDP works, >>> and how it can go very haywire with just a couple of well- >>> intentioned tweaks. >> >> Most certainly; but my question was, is there any evidence of this >> protocol "going very haywire", or the article just paints the worst >> possible scenario, sort of like telling that the asteroid can destroy >> all life on Earth? I mean, it sure can - but where's the asteroid? >> >> Best wishes - >> S.Osokine. >> 1 Dec 2008. >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of travis kalanick >> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 1:47 PM >> To: theory and practice of decentralized computer networks >> Subject: Re: [p2p-hackers] Did uTorrent add NAT traversal? >> >> >> If uTorrent's UDP implementation results in a more aggressive TCP, >> there is certainly the possibility that uTorrent could create massive >> FAIL on the Internets. >> >> Anyone who's created/tuned a distributed-UDP-based-TCP-like protocol >> (e.g. David Barrett, Matthew Kaufman, Alex Pankrotov) knows the >> delicate nature of how distributed-TCP-in-UDP works, and how it can go >> very haywire with just a couple of well-intentioned tweaks. >> >> uTorrent is so widely distributed and so massively utilized for >> download activity, that if this update goes out in the defacto >> uTorrent client (new installs and auto-updates and the like), we >> should hope that there is a slow steady deployment to make sure there >> aren't serious problems with "crowding out" in the protocol. >> >> If there is a massive auto-update, and a massive FAIL that follows, we >> should all expect our uTorrent apps to be disabled by ISP, >> auto-downgraded by Bittorrent Inc., etc. until a TCP friendly protocol >> is deployed. >> >> Travis >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 1:25 PM, Serguei Osokine >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: >> >> >> On Monday, December 01, 2008 David Barrett wrote: >> > Saw uTorrent switched to UDP: >> > >> > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/01/richard_bennett_utorrent_udp/ >> >> >> Is it just me, or this article is really unnecessarily alarmist? >> Richard Bennett describes the situation as if there is no congestion >> control in the UDP file transfer protocol used by uTorrent, which >> I find a bit hard to believe. >> >> Is this really the case? I cannot imagine how the data transfer >> protocol without any congestion control can possibly exist - the >> only issue seems to be how aggressive would it be in comparison >> with TCP, not whether it would melt down the Internet or not. But >> he sounds like the sky will be falling any moment now; is this >> position substantiated by any objective evidence? >> >> Best wishes - >> S.Osokine. >> 1 Dec 2008. >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Barrett >> >> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 12:10 PM >> To: theory and practice of decentralized computer networks >> Subject: [p2p-hackers] Did uTorrent add NAT traversal? >> >> >> Saw uTorrent switched to UDP: >> >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/01/richard_bennett_utorrent_udp/ >> >> Did they also add simultaneous connect NAT traversal? That'd require a >> tracker change, I assume. (Though they could probably do it through the >> DHT.) >> >> -david >> >> _______________________________________________ >> p2p-hackers mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.zooko.com/mailman/listinfo/p2p-hackers >> _______________________________________________ >> p2p-hackers mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.zooko.com/mailman/listinfo/p2p-hackers >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> p2p-hackers mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.zooko.com/mailman/listinfo/p2p-hackers > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > p2p-hackers mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.zooko.com/mailman/listinfo/p2p-hackers
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