This happened when voip hit mainstream started using UDP and the internet is still here. But since it's BitTorrent, Inc and closed source we won't know until they do a massive deployment. IMHO it is pure stupidity to not have opened this protocol for critique first.
On Dec 1, 2008, at 3:06 PM, Serguei Osokine wrote: > On Monday, December 01, 2008 travis kalanick wrote: >> If uTorrent's UDP implementation results in a more aggressive >> TCP, there is certainly the possibility that uTorrent could >> create massive FAIL on the Internets. >> >> Anyone who's created/tuned a distributed-UDP-based-TCP-like >> protocol (e.g. David Barrett, Matthew Kaufman, Alex Pankrotov) >> knows the delicate nature of how distributed-TCP-in-UDP works, >> and how it can go very haywire with just a couple of well- >> intentioned tweaks. > > Most certainly; but my question was, is there any evidence of this > protocol "going very haywire", or the article just paints the worst > possible scenario, sort of like telling that the asteroid can destroy > all life on Earth? I mean, it sure can - but where's the asteroid? > > Best wishes - > S.Osokine. > 1 Dec 2008. > > ________________________________ > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > ] On Behalf Of travis kalanick > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 1:47 PM > To: theory and practice of decentralized computer networks > Subject: Re: [p2p-hackers] Did uTorrent add NAT traversal? > > > If uTorrent's UDP implementation results in a more aggressive TCP, > there is certainly the possibility that uTorrent could create > massive FAIL on the Internets. > > Anyone who's created/tuned a distributed-UDP-based-TCP-like protocol > (e.g. David Barrett, Matthew Kaufman, Alex Pankrotov) knows the > delicate nature of how distributed-TCP-in-UDP works, and how it can > go very haywire with just a couple of well-intentioned tweaks. > > uTorrent is so widely distributed and so massively utilized for > download activity, that if this update goes out in the defacto > uTorrent client (new installs and auto-updates and the like), we > should hope that there is a slow steady deployment to make sure > there aren't serious problems with "crowding out" in the protocol. > > If there is a massive auto-update, and a massive FAIL that follows, > we should all expect our uTorrent apps to be disabled by ISP, auto- > downgraded by Bittorrent Inc., etc. until a TCP friendly protocol is > deployed. > > Travis > > > > > On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 1:25 PM, Serguei Osokine <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > > > On Monday, December 01, 2008 David Barrett wrote: > > Saw uTorrent switched to UDP: > > > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/01/richard_bennett_utorrent_udp/ > > > Is it just me, or this article is really unnecessarily alarmist? > Richard Bennett describes the situation as if there is no congestion > control in the UDP file transfer protocol used by uTorrent, which > I find a bit hard to believe. > > Is this really the case? I cannot imagine how the data transfer > protocol without any congestion control can possibly exist - the > only issue seems to be how aggressive would it be in comparison > with TCP, not whether it would melt down the Internet or not. But > he sounds like the sky will be falling any moment now; is this > position substantiated by any objective evidence? > > Best wishes - > S.Osokine. > 1 Dec 2008. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > ] On Behalf Of David Barrett > > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 12:10 PM > To: theory and practice of decentralized computer networks > Subject: [p2p-hackers] Did uTorrent add NAT traversal? > > > Saw uTorrent switched to UDP: > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/01/richard_bennett_utorrent_udp/ > > Did they also add simultaneous connect NAT traversal? That'd > require a > tracker change, I assume. (Though they could probably do it > through the > DHT.) > > -david > > _______________________________________________ > p2p-hackers mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.zooko.com/mailman/listinfo/p2p-hackers > _______________________________________________ > p2p-hackers mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.zooko.com/mailman/listinfo/p2p-hackers > > > > _______________________________________________ > p2p-hackers mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.zooko.com/mailman/listinfo/p2p-hackers _______________________________________________ p2p-hackers mailing list [email protected] http://lists.zooko.com/mailman/listinfo/p2p-hackers
