At Mon, 03 Mar 2008 18:15:15 +0800,
Song Yongchao wrote:
> 
> Please see inline.
> 
> >> *         Subsection for the client protocol: The proposals for the
> >> client protocol, one of which (draft-pascual-p2psip-clients) is based on
> >> P2PP anyway, and should be merged here as well.
> >>
> >
> >No separate client protocol is required.  What features of a client
> >protocol do you believe are not met by the base protocol?
> 
> You can find the features of client in draft-pascual-p2psip-clients, only
> when you are clear about that, you will know what features are not met with
> Reload-03.

Well, I certainly have reviewed that draft, but I don't think
that there's WG consensus on the exact feature set described
in it. In particular, I'm pretty skeptical about the notion
that clients will be acting as storing nodes.


> No matter whether we need a separate client protocol or a
> subsection for client protocol, those features should be discussed first. I
> support Victor to make a presentation and discussion of "clients" at the
> meeting.  

Well, one of the nice features about RELOAD, IMHO, is that very
little explicit support for clients is needed. Basically, a client
is a node which connects to other nodes but does not issue JOINs
or UPDATEs. Therefore:

- The peers it is explicitly connected to can route to it
  directly.
- It is in their neighbor table but not their route table so
  it never routes packets.
- Because it doesn't JOIN it never stores data.


Note that a client can connect to peers at one of two places:

- At the location indicated by its peer-id.
- At a random location.

In the first case, routing to the clients peer-id simpyly works,
since it goes through the node responsible through that space,
which is directly connected to the client. In the second case,
the client can advertise a destination list [this is one use
for this feature] consisting of the peer it is connected to
and then itself.


> >>
> >> *         Security (I like these sections very much): Should the various
> >> sections on certificate security and secure transport be consolidated
> >> into one section on Security? Where does the security for the HIP part
> >> belong? If HIP is secured, when/if is TLS and DTL still useful?
> 
> I think we need a separate document to discuss security issues.

I don't in principle have a problem with a separate non-normative
document containing security analysis of P2PSIP systems. 

However, I believe all of the security features need to be part of the
core protocol and the core document, which is why we built them
into RELOAD.

-Ekr
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