Hi Dean,

for sure you know about the Not Invented Here syndrome IETF WGs usually develop, right? ;o)

Cheers,

Gonzalo

Dean Willis wrote:

On Jun 26, 2008, at 1:42 AM, Gonzalo Camarillo wrote:

Hi Henry,

Yes, I know, developing HIP code looks like opening a whole new can of
worms, but nothing compares to what we are looking at now when trying to
traverse NAT, support mobility, multihoming, etc. for each application
protocol and their various flavors separately.

yes, that is what HIP is about (i.e., implementing those functions at a lower layer so that they do not have to be redesigned by every single application-layer protocol).


This asks the question "Why don't we believe in HIP in this role?"

Is it because we've seen HIP struggling to advance for many years and think we can move more quickly?

Is it because we think the IETF's immune system will suppress HIP but that application-level work can move through?

Is it because we think that doing this stuff at the HIP level requires widespread OS and IP stack changes, but that we can deploy application-level solutions without it?

Is it because we think that if HIP solves the problems, then there will be no fun work left to do on applications?

Or is there something else?

There must be some reason, as I would think that if people really believed in HIP that the entire resources of the IETF would be bent towards getting it wrapped up and ready to go, since solving these problems again and again for every different application makes no more sense than would reinventing IP for every application.

--
Dean

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