Is it just me or is there a fundamental bootstrapping problem here?

It seems like P2PSIP needs to sit on top of HIP for the addressing HIP 
provides.... yet HIP may need to sort of sit on top of P2PSIP to use the 
rendevous and registration services of P2PSIP.

This does not seem to be possible.

Or am I just way too tired after a week of traveling and am missing something 
basic?

Dan
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-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Lowekamp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:21:27 
To:Henry Sinnreich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc:[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],P2PSIP WG 
<[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [P2PSIP] HIP for P2P SIP


Henry Sinnreich wrote:
> On 6/27/08 11:07 AM, "Eric Rescorla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> As Bruce indicated in a previous message, HIP needs a rendezvous service,
>> and a generic P2P overlay like RELOAD can provide such a service. In that
>> respect, HIP would be a client of RELOAD, even if RELOAD itself ran
>> over ordinary IP.
>>
>> -Ekr
>
> HIP has been defined with a rendezvous server (RVS) in the HIP Rendezvous
> Extension RFC 5204. Actually, one of the nicer properties is the
> flexibility, since any node can act as a rendezvous server; that's more than
> SIP can do.
>
> What am I missing?

Locating a capable (non-NATed) rendezvous server in a distributed
environment without a centralized service provider is itself a
non-trivial problem.

Additionally, even if you have obtained a rendezvous server, you still
need a registration server (RFC5203).

A P2PSIP peer protocol provides both.

Bruce
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