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On 01/22/2012 08:44 PM, Cullen Jennings wrote:
> 
> 
> On Jan 20, 2012, at 14:32 , Marc Petit-Huguenin wrote:
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>> On 01/17/2012 06:43 PM, Cullen Jennings wrote:
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>>> We believe this revision addresses the following DISCUSS comments:
>>> 
>>> Jari Arkko Adrian Farrel Robert Sparks Peter Saint-Andre Dan Romascanu 
>>> Russ Housley
>>> 
>>> Note: we did not address non-DISCUSS comments. We are planning to do 
>>> that on a subsequent pass.
>>> 
>>> Most of the changes are editorial/clarifying, however, a number were 
>>> substantive (though generally not breaking). Here's a summary of what
>>> we believe the major ones are:
>>> 
>>> * Changed the certificate enrollment protocol to remove the password 
>>> from the URL. Note that this is a breaking change.
>>> 
>>> * Globally renamed "private id" and "compressed id" to "opaque id"
>>> 
>>> * Specified the details of the overlay name (S 5.3.2)
>>> 
>>> * Nailed down the fragment semantics, harmonizing between the fragment
>>>  field defn. and the rules for generating fragments.  The high bit must
>>>  always be set and unfragmented packets are represented as the last 
>>> fragment with an offset of 0.
>>> 
>>> * Specified new requirements for malicious loop prevention:
>>> 
>>> - Configuration servers are supposed to set TTL based on overlay size.
>>> - Peers must check that TTL never exceeds the configured maximum. -
>>> Peers should check for duplicates in the destination list.
>>> 
>>> * Added a new Error_Invalid_Message generic error code.
>>> 
>>> In terms of schedule, we plan to spin a new draft before the draft 
>>> deadline that addresses all the DISCUSS comments and as many of the 
>>> comments as possible.
>>> 
>> 
>> I hate to be the one complaining again, but because the "final" draft
>> will be released around March 11th, there will be only 2 weeks to
>> review, implement, and try to fix it before the P2PSIP meeting itself and
>> we all know how busy these few weeks before a meeting are.  My prediction
>> is that the meeting will be simply a list of issues or fixes that people
>> will have no time to analyze and understand and that this meeting will
>> be, like the one in Taipei, a waste of time.  Won't it be more efficient
>> to finish this now, which would give two months to be sure that
>> everything is OK, and declare victory in Paris?
>> 
> 
> 
> If anyone wants to help, we'd love some help. The problem is several of us 
> are wrapped up in the W3C WebRTC and IETF RTCWeb interim meetings from now 
> till Feb 1 so I suspect that there will not be time put into it for the
> next 10 days unless someone else does something. My fear is it would take
> too long for most people to get up to speed on it. We did try to order the
> discusses such that we fixed one that might impact implementations first.
> 

Just after the meeting in Taipei, I was trying to convince someone to come to
the RELOAD interop event in Paris.  The response was that the implementation
will not be ready in time, because they will not start until RELOAD is
finished.  I understand - when I saw -20 I was ready to do a complete review
and to update my code, but after seen your email, I stopped bothering, I'll
just wait for -21.  Or -22.  Or -23, it's a prime number and I like prime 
numbers.

Also I have unpublished drafts that I am holding because it is not possible to
present anything new at a WG meeting - what's the point anyway if the response
is invariably "we need to finish RELOAD first"?  People are now presenting
their drafts in samrg, I'll probably do that too, and skip the p2psip meeting.

On the other hand I completely understand the pressure of other works and that
nobody can sustain the same interest and enthusiasm on a specific subject for
the many years that are required to standardize anything.

What I do not understand is why the chairs did not step in and named
additional editors to this draft.

- -- 
Marc Petit-Huguenin
Personal email: [email protected]
Professional email: [email protected]
Blog: http://blog.marc.petit-huguenin.org
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