Doesn't anyone remember when Chinese hacktivism was only a problem at Chinese universities? What ever happened to the North Korean hacker squads or the results of project Titan Rain?
In my opinion, China needs the US more then the US needs them. There may be only one way to know for sure... "In early December 2005 the director of the SANS Institute, a security institute in the U.S., said that the attacks were "most likely the result of Chinese military hackers attempting to gather information on U.S. systems."" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_Rain Fool me three times... -Blake It makes you wonder if Google has strong evidence to suggest that the Chinese government was directly involved. That would seem like reason enough to back out of the censorship deal. We help you, then you hack us? If the attackers were targeting Chinese users that would also seem to indicate the government. It doesn't make sense that Chinese hackers would target only other Chinese users for any other reason. Nathan -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Robin Wood Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 4:55 AM To: PaulDotCom Security Weekly Mailing List Subject: Re: [Pauldotcom] Google and China The media, and maybe Google themselves, are lumping the censorship and the hacking incident together as a reason to pull out but I don't see how the two are related. Whether or not they are in China they can still be targets of Chinese hackers. There is some evidence that the current lot were going after the accounts of Chinese users but other companies, such as Adobe, were also attacked so it wasn't all about one Chinese group attacking another. Am I missing something? Robin 2010/1/14 Michael Miller <[email protected]>: > I have the same view. They will try to deflect any blame for any > attack on western corporations. They might raise a stink for a little > bit. It will be interesting to see what happens to google, if they > close up shop or raid the google data center. > > On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 2:12 PM, iamnowonmai <[email protected]> wrote: >> Like it or not they need us to buy their stuff. I don't see them doing a damn thing personally >> >> Michael Miller <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>It will be interesting to see what China does. They could just take >>>over Google.cn and seize the server farm as state property. It might >>>make other companies think twice about doing business in China. >>> >>>-mmiller >>> >>>On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 8:18 AM, Karl Schuttler >>><[email protected]> wrote: >>>> In case you didn't see >>>> it... http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/new-approach-to-china.html >>>> >>>> "We have decided we are no longer willing to continue censoring our results >>>> on Google.cn, and so over the next few weeks we will be discussing with the >>>> Chinese government the basis on which we could operate an unfiltered search >>>> engine within the law, if at all. We recognize that this may well mean >>>> having to shut down Google.cn, and potentially our offices in China." >>>> Karl >>>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Robert Portvliet >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I hope Google pulls out of China... but before they do make every >>>>> search return >>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_protests_of_1989 >>>>> :) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 6:23 PM, Adrian Crenshaw <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > Odd, to quote the email: >>>>> > >>>>> > Technology Alert >>>>> > from The Wall Street Journal >>>>> > >>>>> > Google said it is "reviewing the feasibility of our business operations >>>>> > in >>>>> > China" and may back out of China entirely, as it disclosed it had been >>>>> > hit >>>>> > with major cyberattacks it believes originated from the country. >>>>> > >>>>> > In a blog post, Google said it detected a "highly sophisticated and >>>>> > targeted >>>>> > attack on our corporate infrastructure originating from China" in >>>>> > mid-December and that the attack resulted in "the theft of intellectual >>>>> > property from Google." >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126333757451026659.html?mod=djemalertTECH >>>>> > >>>>> > Since the WSJ wants you to pay, see: >>>>> > >>>>> > http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/new-approach-to-china.html >>>>> > >>>>> > I hope they cover this on ISD tonight. >>>>> > >>>>> > Adrian >>>>> > >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > Pauldotcom mailing list >>>>> > [email protected] >>>>> > http://mail.pauldotcom.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pauldotcom >>>>> > Main Web Site: http://pauldotcom.com >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Robert Portvliet, >>>>> GPEN, Security + >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pauldotcom mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://mail.pauldotcom.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pauldotcom >>>>> Main Web Site: http://pauldotcom.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pauldotcom mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://mail.pauldotcom.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pauldotcom >>>> Main Web Site: http://pauldotcom.com >>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Pauldotcom mailing list >>>[email protected] >>>http://mail.pauldotcom.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pauldotcom >>>Main Web Site: http://pauldotcom.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Pauldotcom mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://mail.pauldotcom.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pauldotcom >> Main Web Site: http://pauldotcom.com > _______________________________________________ > Pauldotcom mailing list > [email protected] > http://mail.pauldotcom.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pauldotcom > Main Web Site: http://pauldotcom.com > _______________________________________________ Pauldotcom mailing list [email protected] http://mail.pauldotcom.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pauldotcom Main Web Site: http://pauldotcom.com _______________________________________________ Pauldotcom mailing list [email protected] http://mail.pauldotcom.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pauldotcom Main Web Site: http://pauldotcom.com _______________________________________________ Pauldotcom mailing list [email protected] http://mail.pauldotcom.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pauldotcom Main Web Site: http://pauldotcom.com
