Cde : Mmbara
When John Nyathi Pokela took the leadership of the PAC in the early 80's, his immediate responsibility was to bring back the scatted masses of the organization, who had been ostracized and marginalized by Lebballo. That is why Pokela is highly venerated even to this day. Your remarks exhibit an utter schism. Why are you so divisive? Are you failing to appreciate that this organization is facing the worse condition as we speak over the past 50 years of its existence ?A disrespect of senior organization's leadership is not going to earn you any reputation. Your dislike of Mphahlele is shared about many comrades that are concern about this organization. Moreover, for your information Mlambo didn't support Mphahlele as a vibrant candidate to lead the organization. Do you expect Mlambo to publicly denounce Mphahlele on the media or in this discussion forum ?. Mduduzi Sibeko 011 724 9298 071-101-2595 [email protected] From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mohlomphegi Mphahlele Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 7:24 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Did you hear about the pseudo PAC unity meeting? Comrade Mmbara I think a party that does not have a fartherly figure will always find itself in a state of dispair as in the case of PAC. Mlambo remains a member of Apla High Command. He is a father to PAC. Your disrespect of him and his proposal is really questionable as to what really the agenda you are pushing. Do you really hate Letlapa so much that whatever initiative to help build PAC that includes Letlapa becomes counter revolutionary to you. If I may ask what revolution did you fight to can lecture revolutionaries like Mlambo and Latlapa about revolution. Comrade I need to emphasis that we will support whatever initiative to help build PAC. We cannot support initiative designed to further cause disunity in this movement. The convention you refered to remains a factional move to some of us and we couldin't support it. This is a clarion call by Mlambo to address the imparse in the Africanist movement and you want to redicule him, an Apla High Commander trying to rebuild the PAC. Comrade you must really re-think yourself and apologise to PAC members and Mlambo in particular. If you cannot support this initiative shut and save yourself. Just watch it you do not be classified a counter revolutionary. COMRADE WHAT IS YOUR AGENDA????? Every betrayer...every collaborater deserves a ... ________________________________ From: Hulisani Mmbara <[email protected]> To: PAYCO GOOGLE GROUP PAYCO GOOGLE GROUP <[email protected]> Cc: JUSTICE CONCERNED CDE <[email protected]>; CUNNINGHAM <[email protected]>; NTONZIMA <[email protected]>; NDAMANE <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, May 10, 2010 7:27:20 PM Subject: [PAYCO] Did you hear about the pseudo PAC unity meeting? A Discussion from the wall of PAYCO Facebook group page between April 15 and April 20, 2010 Justice Mvakali <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1330759987> Ø CDE J MLAMBO APLA CIC IS CALLING ALL PAC NEC FROM 1959 TO DATE, APLA HIGH COMMAND, ALL FORMER AND CURRENT NEC OF PAYCO, PACYL, APLAMVA, PASMA, PAWO, PACWL, PASO, PALF, TRADE UNIONS. Agenda PAC UNITY AND WAYFORWARD. APLA AND MOST PAC MEMBERS SUPPORTS THIS MOVE. LET PAC RISE. April 15 at 6:36pm <http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=101035340296&v=wall&story_fbid=10150187133830297&ref=mf> Hulisani Mmbara <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1340096987> Ø What is the basis and kind of unity that Mlambo is calling for? Letlapa Mphahlele is a sell out and all his structures are carrying out a counter-revolutionary programme to destroy the PAC. Does Mlambo want us to unite with that programme? This call is in my view an infiltration by counter revolutionary forces in the party to neutralize and ultimately defeat the progressive agenda to rebuild and reposition the PAC. It is clear that Letlapa and company are out of order. Did Mlambo ever call them to order? April 18 at 12:56pm <http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=101035340296&v=wall&story_fbid=10150188559975297&ref=mf> Hulisani Mmbara <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1340096987> Ø Why can't Mlambo focus on enjoying his pension and stop causing confusion in the PAC? Since when is Mlambo a leader enough to broker unity in the Party? He pretends to be for unity of the PAC but where was he all this time? Letlapa has been wrecking havoc since 2007. Where was Mlambo and what did he do? We will not allow people to use their seniority in the party to infiltrate external programmes into the party under the pretext of 'unity'. April 18 at 1:06pm <http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=101035340296&v=wall&story_fbid=10150188562885297&ref=mf> Hulisani Mmbara <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1340096987> Ø What we need is a return to constitutionality and legitimate leadership not Mlambo's monkey business. April 18 at 1:09pm <http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=101035340296&v=wall&story_fbid=10150188563515297&ref=mf> Hulisani Mmbara <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1340096987> Ø We must not allow anyone to deflect our focus from core issues and challenges that confront us now. Unity will take care of itself through a programme of action of the PAC. We can't have academic debates about unity. Unity is always unity in action. Once there is order, leadership and a programme of action. That's when we will see unity. Unity must be seen through collective action. We can't romanticize about unity. Unity must be unity of the same minds and action. Unity is found in action, not cheap sentiments! April 18 at 1:21pm <http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=101035340296&v=wall&story_fbid=10150188567985297&ref=mf> Vuyo Mo Ludidi <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1583635591> Ø M'Afrika Mmbara you seem to be against the call by Cde Mlambo. Can you substantiate your position as I'm convinced you are not against the idea of unity but rather the initiative, I suspect. Izwe Lethu! April 19 at 4:01pm Justice Mvakali <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1330759987> Ø CDE MBARA, THE BEST WOULD BE FOR YOU TO GO TO CDE MLAMBO AND ASK THOSE QUESTIONS. BUT YOU DONT JUST DISMISS ANYTHING WITHOUT GETTING FACTS ABOUT IT. YOU SOUND ANGRY AND THAT DOES NOT HELP. WE NEED A UNITED PAC ON THE BASIS OF PRINCIPLE. MOST OF THE PEOLPLE HAD THEIR OWN FLOPS IN THE PARTY BUT WE ARE MATURED CADRES SO WE MUST FOCUS ON WHAT BUILDS THE PAC THAN WHAT DESTOYS IT. WE CAN DEBATE THIS ISSUE BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY PAC WILL REMAIN DEVIDED. ATLEAST MLAMBO IS TRYING TO GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ISSUES. FIRST OF ALL THE CONSTITUTIONALITY YOU REFER TO AND THE LEGITIMATE LEARDERSHIP DEMANDS US TO FORM BRANCHES AND BUILD THE PARTY AS PER RESOLUTION IN CAPE TOWN AND THE IS NO ADMIN SYSTEM IN PLACE TO MONITOR THAT AND PPL ASKED FOR MEMBERSHIP FORMS AND CARDS HOW DO YOU ANSWER THAT? LET MLAMBO TAKE THE INITIATIVE AND SEE. April 19 at 5:34pm Hulisani Mmbara <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1340096987> Ø Comrades I am not against unity in principle which means rallying around implementation of a party programme. But I am against unity of convenience between those who are committed to rebuilding the party and those who are destroying it. What kind of unity is that? What Mlambo should be doing is to call order on Letlapa, which he has never done. There was a convention in Cape Town last November where all party members concerned about the state of the party discussed comprehensive strategies. April 19 at 6:21pm Hulisani Mmbara <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1340096987> Ø Mlambo should have gone there instead of trying to create a little side show. @Justice I have facts about this situation and my contradiction with this reactionary initiative which you seem to be promoting is based on assessment of internal dynamics over a long period of time. I will not waste my time asking Mlambo the obvious. He was in the wilderness (and this you know very well) all along and in my view he is neither an informed nor an honest broker. April 19 at 6:30pm Justice Mvakali <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1330759987> Ø I disagree with you Mbara on your approach. One of the resolutions in Cape was to try and bring those who were not active back to the PAC. And that applies to Mlambo as well. As leaders we must be objective in dealing with the issues in the party. If he did nothing in the past at least he is trying to do something now. I can give you the list of comrades who are just like Mlambo and we work with them in the working committee. Why can't we focus on the principles of party building, constructive criticism, and party discipline and do away with mistaken ideas in the party April 19 at 6:40pm Hulisani Mmbara <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1340096987> Ø You refer to him as commander in chief (cic) of APLA. My questions were directed to you to clarify your commander's command. There is a lot of work that needs to be done to put PAC on the right track and I have little time for counter-revolutionary programmes such as the one Mlambo is pursuing. It is true that his vague call for unity may sound attractive while he is just stalling and frustrating decisive resolution of the problems at hand. April 19 at 6:50pm Hulisani Mmbara <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1340096987> Ø This issue of Mlambo was also on the agenda of the PAC National Task Team (which you and other members of the party nominated last year in Cape Town at the convention) meeting held on Saturday for the whole day and as such there is no question of me not having facts about this issue. April 19 at 6:54pm Justice Mvakali <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1330759987> Ø Ok let answer these question. FIRST OF ALL THE CONSTITUTIONALITY YOU REFER TO AND THE LEGITIMATE LEARDERSHIP DEMANDS US TO FORM BRANCHES AND BUILD THE PARTY AS PER RESOLUTION IN CAPE TOWN AND THE IS NO ADMIN SYSTEM IN PLACE TO MONITOR THAT AND PPL ASKED FOR MEMBERSHIP FORMS AND CARDS HOW DO YOU ANSWER THAT? April 19 at 7:00pm Justice Mvakali <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1330759987> Ø Let's play the ball not Mlambo. There is no use to say all those things about him when you did not go on fact finding. No investigation no right to talk. Go and get his point of view, don't stick to his past. April 19 at 7:07pm Hulisani Mmbara <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1340096987> Ø @Justice. I am never confused by calls for 'facts' and 'investigations'. Soon we will be called to a prayer session and urged to put our faith in God to bring sanity in the party. This thing of believing baseless and purposeless unity will bring cohesion in the party is the height of idealism. In a revolutionary party it matters what you have done in the past. We must remain vigilant and guard against infiltration. It is nothing personal. I have been consistently active in this party and I know what is happening. In the process I have also learned effective ways to deal with dubious characters like Mlambo and expose their tricks to broad day light. I am personally disappointed with Mlambo. In December we attended the funeral of the late Masemola, APLAMVA chairperson of Tshwane at the time, where Mlambo was ashamed of being recognized as a PAC. He even grabbed some of us not to come forward when PAC members were called to come forward and sing revolutionary songs. Mind you Masemola served time on Robben Island together with Mlambo and on the day of his send off his comrades like Mlambo hides their heads in the sands because it is apparently embarrassing to identify with PAC in public. All of a sudden Mlambo has found his mojo again and want to unite PAC, the organization he, of late for reasons known to himself, is ashamed of identifying with publicly. I will not entertain Mlambo. You know that in the history of the PAC, despite his recent suspicious behavior, Mlambo has been the weakest link. I also find it funny that no one in APLMVA agreed to participate in the PAC national task team elected in Cape Town, for reasons that are not known. I see you talk about the working committee. Which working committee is this? Is the task of this working committee more important than the task of the PAC national task team created to guide the overall rebuilding and renewal of the party? April 20 at 10:01am Vuyo Mo Ludidi <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1583635591> Ø M'Afrika Mbara your are obviously a strong & firm comrade, I admire that in you Son. What you need to guard against though Son is appearing emotional in your articulation on positions. If you are dealing with a mass movement like the PAC you will have to except that the majority of the membership would be non active. Consequently they might not be clued up or up to date, I which case you will be required to be persuasive in your arguments. You must not come out as being non-tolerant to the non active members as it might be intimidating. Contrary, your arguments must be pregnant with information & substance. I again suggest that we tone down on aggressive language & practice extreme tolerance amongst each other. Forward to the United States of Afrika....Izwe Lethu! April 20 at 1:56pm Justice Mvakali <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1330759987> Ø @ MBARA, you still have not answer the Question. FIRST OF ALL THE CONSTITUTIONALITY YOU REFER TO AND THE LEGITIMATE LEARDERSHIP DEMANDS US TO FORM BRANCHES AND BUILD THE PARTY AS PER RESOLUTION IN CAPE TOWN AND THE IS NO ADMIN SYSTEM IN PLACE TO MONITOR THAT AND PPL ASKED FOR MEMBERSHIP FORMS AND CARDS HOW DO YOU ANSWER THAT? April 20 at 2:28pm Hulisani Mmbara <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1340096987> Ø MAfrika Vuyo I agree with you 100% when it comes to the rank and file. It's just that forthrightness and firmness depending on circumstances may be required when you deal with those who consider themselves cadres. There is no anger at all involved. The truth has to be told even if it's difficult to swallow. One of the weaknesses of the PAC is that we like romanticizing matters of life and death instead of dealing with them decisively. We like papering the cracks but complain when the bricks of a defective house fall on us. We don't want to offend some members of the party even when they are wrong and causing harm to the party. MAfrika Justice here is my answer: at the last meeting of the PAC national task team on Saturday we resolved that we will open an office and start creating a database of membership. The office space with a landline and an administrator has been located and will start operating soon. If APLAMVA was attending these meetings and participating, it would have been aware of this development. Now can you also answer my question: WHY IS APLAMVA KEEPING A DISTANCE FROM THE TASK TEAM? WHY DID APLAMVA REFUSED TO BE INCLUDED IN THE TASK TEAM? IF APLMVA IS REFUSING TO COME UNDER ONE UMBRELLA WITH THOSE WHO WERE MANDATED BY THE CONVENTION, HOW DOES IT WANT TO SHAPE AND INFLUENCE PARTY BUILDING PROCESS? Please comrade, I want to know if you recognize (I know you attended) the PAC convention held in Cape Town last year, its purpose and its outcomes. If not, why and what is then your alternative? April 20 at 4:56pm Justice Mvakali <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1330759987> Ø @MBARA. I WILL INBOX YOU ON THIS ONE DUE TO THE COURT CASE THAT IS PENDING I CAN NOT COMPROMISE THE CASE BY RESPONDING TO FACE BOOK CAUSE I DONT KNOW WHO IS WAITING FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. HOPE THAT WOULD BE FAIR April 20 at 5:24pm ........the end ________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. 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