Why PAC leaders and members like to write negative messages to each other. If we are all interested to build the movement is not neccesary to bad mouth people views.
This struggle of personalities within the movement they will never take us anywhere. Everyone in this world is having his or her witnesses. The PAC leaders/PAYCO leaders are doing to nothing in defending the interests of PASMA institutions of higher learning when PASMA are expelled such as the leadership from TUT no one is bothering to comment while the leaders where pushing the program of the movement. I am appealing to all sons and daughters not focus on personalities or leadership. We must focus on uniting the movement at all costs. The current problems were designed by us as membership no one to blame. I feel exposed as young member of the PAC, because of elder brothers and sisters are busy insulting each other. Some time when we do program to honour fallen martyers people get closer and divide us as students leadership because they want to claim easy victories. *Enough is enough!!!!! *The counter revolutionaries must not see other counter revolutinaries. The resolutionof Cape were clear and everyone is having a responsibility to partake in party building processes. No one is having a monopoly over PAC, every one is having a responsibility to ensure the unity within the movement prevails. *Ndiyanicela Ma-afrika let us treat each other as true comrades not fake comrades.* PAYCO must be a uniting force not dividing force. Facebook is not a private thing, Everyone can view the comments from Facebook. Let us be vigilant enough Ma-Afrika when we are dealing with sensitive issues of PAC. When we mobilise students from univirsities each and everytime they ask us why PAC is not united??????, Some other times we take risks and take the PASMA members to events of the PAC and most of the times we get dissappointed. And the image of PASMA is destroyed each and everyday no one and at the end of the business defends us to our masses. To debate on facebook is not going to assist us at all, let us to talk with all parties in person. I think when when there is a conflict , I personaly think their are strategies that can be followed. In PAC document we talk of african unity , but we are failing to unity ourselves. Let us practice what we preach. I choose to pause On 10 May 2010 19:27, Hulisani Mmbara <[email protected]> wrote: > *A Discussion from the wall of PAYCO Facebook group page between April 15 > and April 20, 2010* > > *Justice Mvakali <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1330759987> * > > Ø CDE J MLAMBO APLA CIC IS CALLING ALL PAC NEC FROM 1959 TO DATE, APLA > HIGH COMMAND, ALL FORMER AND CURRENT NEC OF PAYCO, PACYL, APLAMVA, PASMA, > PAWO, PACWL, PASO, PALF, TRADE UNIONS. Agenda PAC UNITY AND WAYFORWARD. APLA > AND MOST PAC MEMBERS SUPPORTS THIS MOVE. LET PAC RISE. > > ***April 15 at > 6:36pm<http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=101035340296&v=wall&story_fbid=10150187133830297&ref=mf> > * > > *Hulisani Mmbara <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1340096987> * > > Ø What is the basis and kind of unity that Mlambo is calling for? Letlapa > Mphahlele is a sell out and all his structures are carrying out a > counter-revolutionary programme to destroy the PAC. Does Mlambo want us to > unite with that programme? This call is in my view an infiltration by > counter revolutionary forces in the party to neutralize and ultimately > defeat the progressive agenda to rebuild and reposition the PAC. It is clear > that Letlapa and company are out of order. Did Mlambo ever call them to > order? > > ***April 18 at > 12:56pm<http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=101035340296&v=wall&story_fbid=10150188559975297&ref=mf> > * > > *Hulisani Mmbara <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1340096987> * > > Ø Why can't Mlambo focus on enjoying his pension and stop causing > confusion in the PAC? Since when is Mlambo a leader enough to broker unity > in the Party? He pretends to be for unity of the PAC but where was he all > this time? Letlapa has been wrecking havoc since 2007. Where was Mlambo and > what did he do? We will not allow people to use their seniority in the party > to infiltrate external programmes into the party under the pretext of > 'unity'. > > ***April 18 at > 1:06pm<http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=101035340296&v=wall&story_fbid=10150188562885297&ref=mf> > * > > *Hulisani Mmbara <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1340096987> * > > Ø What we need is a return to constitutionality and legitimate leadership > not Mlambo's monkey business. > > ***April 18 at > 1:09pm<http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=101035340296&v=wall&story_fbid=10150188563515297&ref=mf> > * > > *Hulisani Mmbara <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1340096987> * > > Ø We must not allow anyone to deflect our focus from core issues and > challenges that confront us now. Unity will take care of itself through a > programme of action of the PAC. We can't have academic debates about unity. > Unity is always unity in action. Once there is order, leadership and a > programme of action. That’s when we will see unity. Unity must be seen > through collective action. We can't romanticize about unity. Unity must be > unity of the same minds and action. Unity is found in action, not cheap > sentiments! > > ***April 18 at > 1:21pm<http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=101035340296&v=wall&story_fbid=10150188567985297&ref=mf> > * > > *Vuyo Mo Ludidi <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1583635591> * > > Ø M'Afrika Mmbara you seem to be against the call by Cde Mlambo. Can you > substantiate your position as I’m convinced you are not against the idea of > unity but rather the initiative, I suspect. Izwe Lethu! > > *April 19 at 4:01pm * > > *Justice Mvakali <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1330759987> * > > Ø CDE MBARA, THE BEST WOULD BE FOR YOU TO GO TO CDE MLAMBO AND ASK THOSE > QUESTIONS. BUT YOU DONT JUST DISMISS ANYTHING WITHOUT GETTING FACTS ABOUT > IT. YOU SOUND ANGRY AND THAT DOES NOT HELP. WE NEED A UNITED PAC ON THE > BASIS OF PRINCIPLE. MOST OF THE PEOLPLE HAD THEIR OWN FLOPS IN THE PARTY BUT > WE ARE MATURED CADRES SO WE MUST FOCUS ON WHAT BUILDS THE PAC THAN WHAT > DESTOYS IT. WE CAN DEBATE THIS ISSUE BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY PAC WILL > REMAIN DEVIDED. ATLEAST MLAMBO IS TRYING TO GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK > ISSUES. FIRST OF ALL THE CONSTITUTIONALITY YOU REFER TO AND THE LEGITIMATE > LEARDERSHIP DEMANDS US TO FORM BRANCHES AND BUILD THE PARTY AS PER > RESOLUTION IN CAPE TOWN AND THE IS NO ADMIN SYSTEM IN PLACE TO MONITOR THAT > AND PPL ASKED FOR MEMBERSHIP FORMS AND CARDS HOW DO YOU ANSWER THAT? LET > MLAMBO TAKE THE INITIATIVE AND SEE. > > *April 19 at 5:34pm * > > *Hulisani Mmbara <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1340096987> * > > Ø Comrades I am not against unity in principle which means rallying > around implementation of a party programme. But I am against unity of > convenience between those who are committed to rebuilding the party and > those who are destroying it. What kind of unity is that? What Mlambo should > be doing is to call order on Letlapa, which he has never done. There was a > convention in Cape Town last November where all party members concerned > about the state of the party discussed comprehensive strategies. > > *April 19 at 6:21pm * > > *Hulisani Mmbara <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1340096987> * > > Ø Mlambo should have gone there instead of trying to create a little side > show. @Justice I have facts about this situation and my contradiction with > this reactionary initiative which you seem to be promoting is based on > assessment of internal dynamics over a long period of time. I will not waste > my time asking Mlambo the obvious. He was in the wilderness (and this you > know very well) all along and in my view he is neither an informed nor an > honest broker. > > *April 19 at 6:30pm * > > *Justice Mvakali <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1330759987> * > > Ø I disagree with you Mbara on your approach. One of the resolutions in > Cape was to try and bring those who were not active back to the PAC. And > that applies to Mlambo as well. As leaders we must be objective in dealing > with the issues in the party. If he did nothing in the past at least he is > trying to do something now. I can give you the list of comrades who are just > like Mlambo and we work with them in the working committee. Why can’t we > focus on the principles of party building, constructive criticism, and party > discipline and do away with mistaken ideas in the party > > *April 19 at 6:40pm * > > *Hulisani Mmbara <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1340096987> * > > Ø You refer to him as commander in chief (cic) of APLA. My questions were > directed to you to clarify your commander's command. There is a lot of work > that needs to be done to put PAC on the right track and I have little time > for counter-revolutionary programmes such as the one Mlambo is pursuing. It > is true that his vague call for unity may sound attractive while he is just > stalling and frustrating decisive resolution of the problems at hand. > > *April 19 at 6:50pm * > > *Hulisani Mmbara <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1340096987> * > > Ø This issue of Mlambo was also on the agenda of the PAC National Task > Team (which you and other members of the party nominated last year in Cape > Town at the convention) meeting held on Saturday for the whole day and as > such there is no question of me not having facts about this issue. > > *April 19 at 6:54pm * > > *Justice Mvakali <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1330759987> * > > Ø Ok let answer these question. FIRST OF ALL THE CONSTITUTIONALITY YOU > REFER TO AND THE LEGITIMATE LEARDERSHIP DEMANDS US TO FORM BRANCHES AND > BUILD THE PARTY AS PER RESOLUTION IN CAPE TOWN AND THE IS NO ADMIN SYSTEM IN > PLACE TO MONITOR THAT AND PPL ASKED FOR MEMBERSHIP FORMS AND CARDS HOW DO > YOU ANSWER THAT? > > *April 19 at 7:00pm * > > *Justice Mvakali <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1330759987> * > > Ø Let’s play the ball not Mlambo. There is no use to say all those things > about him when you did not go on fact finding. No investigation no right to > talk. Go and get his point of view, don’t stick to his past. > > *April 19 at 7:07pm * > > *Hulisani Mmbara <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1340096987> * > > Ø @Justice. I am never confused by calls for 'facts' and > 'investigations'. Soon we will be called to a prayer session and urged to > put our faith in God to bring sanity in the party. This thing of believing > baseless and purposeless unity will bring cohesion in the party is the > height of idealism. In a revolutionary party it matters what you have done > in the past. We must remain vigilant and guard against infiltration. It is > nothing personal. I have been consistently active in this party and I know > what is happening. In the process I have also learned effective ways to deal > with dubious characters like Mlambo and expose their tricks to broad day > light. I am personally disappointed with Mlambo. In December we attended the > funeral of the late Masemola, APLAMVA chairperson of Tshwane at the time, > where Mlambo was ashamed of being recognized as a PAC. He even grabbed some > of us not to come forward when PAC members were called to come forward and > sing revolutionary songs. Mind you Masemola served time on Robben Island > together with Mlambo and on the day of his send off his comrades like Mlambo > hides their heads in the sands because it is apparently embarrassing to > identify with PAC in public. All of a sudden Mlambo has found his mojo again > and want to unite PAC, the organization he, of late for reasons known to > himself, is ashamed of identifying with publicly. I will not entertain > Mlambo. You know that in the history of the PAC, despite his recent > suspicious behavior, Mlambo has been the weakest link. I also find it funny > that no one in APLMVA agreed to participate in the PAC national task team > elected in Cape Town, for reasons that are not known. I see you talk about > the working committee. Which working committee is this? Is the task of this > working committee more important than the task of the PAC national task team > created to guide the overall rebuilding and renewal of the party? > > *April 20 at 10:01am * > > *Vuyo Mo Ludidi <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1583635591> * > > Ø M'Afrika Mbara your are obviously a strong & firm comrade, I admire > that in you Son. What you need to guard against though Son is appearing > emotional in your articulation on positions. If you are dealing with a mass > movement like the PAC you will have to except that the majority of the > membership would be non active. Consequently they might not be clued up or > up to date, I which case you will be required to be persuasive in your > arguments. > > You must not come out as being non-tolerant to the non active members as it > might be intimidating. Contrary, your arguments must be pregnant with > information & substance. I again suggest that we tone down on aggressive > language & practice extreme tolerance amongst each other. Forward to the > United States of Afrika....Izwe Lethu! > > *April 20 at 1:56pm * > > *Justice Mvakali <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1330759987> * > > Ø @ MBARA, you still have not answer the Question. FIRST OF ALL THE > CONSTITUTIONALITY YOU REFER TO AND THE LEGITIMATE LEARDERSHIP DEMANDS US TO > FORM BRANCHES AND BUILD THE PARTY AS PER RESOLUTION IN CAPE TOWN AND THE IS > NO ADMIN SYSTEM IN PLACE TO MONITOR THAT AND PPL ASKED FOR MEMBERSHIP FORMS > AND CARDS HOW DO YOU ANSWER THAT? > > *April 20 at 2:28pm * > > *Hulisani Mmbara <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1340096987> * > > Ø MAfrika Vuyo I agree with you 100% when it comes to the rank and file. > It’s just that forthrightness and firmness depending on circumstances may be > required when you deal with those who consider themselves cadres. There is > no anger at all involved. The truth has to be told even if it’s difficult to > swallow. One of the weaknesses of the PAC is that we like romanticizing > matters of life and death instead of dealing with them decisively. We like > papering the cracks but complain when the bricks of a defective house fall > on us. We don’t want to offend some members of the party even when they are > wrong and causing harm to the party. MAfrika Justice here is my answer: at > the last meeting of the PAC national task team on Saturday we resolved that > we will open an office and start creating a database of membership. The > office space with a landline and an administrator has been located and will > start operating soon. If APLAMVA was attending these meetings and > participating, it would have been aware of this development. Now can you > also answer my question: WHY IS APLAMVA KEEPING A DISTANCE FROM THE TASK > TEAM? WHY DID APLAMVA REFUSED TO BE INCLUDED IN THE TASK TEAM? IF APLMVA IS > REFUSING TO COME UNDER ONE UMBRELLA WITH THOSE WHO WERE MANDATED BY THE > CONVENTION, HOW DOES IT WANT TO SHAPE AND INFLUENCE PARTY BUILDING PROCESS? > Please comrade, I want to know if you recognize (I know you attended) the > PAC convention held in Cape Town last year, its purpose and its outcomes. If > not, why and what is then your alternative? > > *April 20 at 4:56pm * > > *Justice Mvakali <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1330759987> * > > Ø @MBARA. I WILL INBOX YOU ON THIS ONE DUE TO THE COURT CASE THAT IS > PENDING I CAN NOT COMPROMISE THE CASE BY RESPONDING TO FACE BOOK CAUSE I > DONT KNOW WHO IS WAITING FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. HOPE THAT WOULD BE FAIR > > *April 20 at 5:24pm* > > ……..the end > > > > > ------------------------------ > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. 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