Well said and it should be noted that the copy protection scheme currently used by NLS is designed to sell players, either to the tax payers or to individuals, not protect authors since ven little 12 year old Jimmy on his mommies laptop can crack that copy protection and as you correctly noted authors don't get the lion's share of audio book revenue. The person you were replying to said that people on this list think they can do whatever they want with a MP3 once they download it. I don't think anyone here said so much and that is exactally the type of paranoia that feeds into this type of hysteria that only lines the pockets of the RIAA and publishers and hurts the artists/authors and consumers.
-----Original Message----- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of James Homuth Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 12:38 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing Audiobook sales are pretty much exactly like album sales. The publishers see most of the revenue from it, whereas the authors get stuck with very little. And, indeed, there are quite a few authors now who are releasing their books online first, knowing they'll be downloaded, given away, whatever, and knowing that'll transfer over into more direct interactions with readers. That, in turn, will generate more revenue that goes directly to the author. Why do you think publishers are now getting all uppity because people are being drawn more to ebooks? They don't get as much of a kickback from it--the author gets more of the money then. That's why you see, if you actually bother to read about it, publishers pulling their selections from Amazon and companies like that. If a book is good enough, people will pay for it anyway, whether they've purchased it or not. Because, and rightly so, authors do deserve to be compensated for the work. But they're more likely to pay for it in methods that go directly to the author if that's the case, and bypass the publishers entirely. Also, though I suspect pointing it out will serve only to be ignored, there's a ton and a half of evidence that says piracy doesn't have nearly the effect on sales of any variety as the industry would like to have you believe. In fact, sales in certain industries are actually inicreasing, be there piracy or no piracy. But best not tell that to the lobbiests just in case they brand you a pirate by association. -----Original Message----- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: April 19, 2010 9:24 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing No, but the library won't let you make copies of that book and give them away or sell them to others. The copy protection scheme with BARD books is intended to keep these books from getting into the general public and impacting the sales of audio books. This kind of protection is necessary in order to ensure cooperation with the publishers. I think the attitude of some on this list that once they have an MP3 in their possession they're able to do with it whatever they want demonstrates why the NLS and other companies and agencies need to take such action. Although I'm sure the vendor manufacturing the players is doing it for a profit, I'm not sure how you know they're making tons of money (whatever that means). I also have no ideas what insentives you're talking about. If you're implying that kickbacks are involved then that's illegal and you should report that. I also don't see how the 3rd party players are raking in the dough from this, unless by providing this feature they're boosting their sales. I don't see anything wrong with that by the way. Christopher chalt...@gmail.com On 4/19/2010 8:10 AM, Frank Ventura wrote: > If I walk into my local public library and check out a book the > librarian doesn't tell me which room in my house I can or cannot read > the book in. However with BARD they restrict qualified persons as to > which player the must use. The government is buying tons of those new > digital players and someone is making tons of money building and > selling them to the government and someone in said government is > receiving "incentives" to continue this practice? So does anyone not > think it is all about money? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org > [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of James Homuth > Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 12:01 PM > To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' > Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing > > BARD is under the misguided impression that, even after you download > your copy of a particular book, BARD still owns that copy. You have no > legal authority to do anything, considered legal or otherwise, with > that copy. > Not > only is that incorrect, but it's also even more restrictive than even > the most literally interpreted copyright law. Again, I'll use my > example of iTunes. You pay for a couple songs from iTunjes. They're > now yours. > Apple no > longer owns those copies. You can put them on your iWhatever, burn > them to a CD, do pretty much whatever you want with them. Not true > with BARD. And it's business models like that that convince people to > do things you would call stealing. > > -----Original Message----- > From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org > [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] > On Behalf Of Ford Blackwell > Sent: April 18, 2010 11:51 AM > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing > > but from Bard, which was your example, you don't have permission. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mitchell"<mitchellgre...@gmail.com> > To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'"<pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:43 AM > Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing > > > >> That's absulootly rite, but after you qualify for the servis, and >> down >> > >> load >> the file you still don't return it so if this all rite then how is >> tom >> > or > >> anyone who has someone's pramition to coppy a fyle then how is it >> steeling? >> Mitchell >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org >> > [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] > >> On Behalf Of James Homuth >> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:37 AM >> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' >> Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing >> >> Apple tried to do the exact same thing with their iTunes. They tried >> limitting exactly what type of player you could put their music etc >> on >> > in > >> the same way BARD is. The reasons that didn't work are the exact same >> reasons BARD shouldn't be doing that either. If you get your hands on >> something, whether you have legal access to do so or not, you're >> going >> > to > >> want to do whatever you want with that something. Either put it on a >> > CD, > >> or >> copy it to something smaller than your Victor Reader, or any number >> of things. And if someone wants to burn that book to a CD, or do >> > something > >> else >> with it that BARD has decided they're not allowed to, even though >> they >> > >> have >> legal access to it, people are just going to find less legal means to >> > do > >> so. >> Rather than prop up and defend an out of date business model, people >> should be pushing companies like BARD to get caught up with the rest >> of the >> > world > >> and actually give people a choice as to what to do with their >> acquisitions. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org >> > [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] > >> On Behalf Of Ford Blackwell >> Sent: April 18, 2010 11:28 AM >> To: PC Audio Discussion List >> Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing >> >> But with Bard, you're not permitted to share and you have to qualify >> > for > >> their service by being blind and having a player that they authroize. >> There >> is a specific exception in the copyright law for Bard and Bookshare >> > type > >> services. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "mitchell"<mitchellgre...@gmail.com> >> To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'"<pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:17 AM >> Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing >> >> >> >>> I'm with you man, if it is steeling then why is it all rite to use >>> bard with the book players, because you are downloading the books. >>> Then you are not giving them back. Not a problem as far as I am >>> concerned. >>> Mitchell >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org >>> [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] >>> On Behalf Of DJ DOCTOR P >>> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 8:09 AM >>> To: PC Audio Discussion List >>> Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing >>> >>> Ok, so you say, "it's still stealing." >>> Then you tell me, why are there still some websites that lets you >>> download music and audio books without having to pay anything for it? >>> Yes these sites still exist, and people are downloading music and >>> audio books without having to pay a dime for it. >>> Explain that one to me, if you can! >>> John. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Tom"<t...@pc-audio.org> >>> To:<pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 6:49 AM >>> Subject: It's Still Stealing >>> >>> >>> >>>> It's still stealing whether or not your boss gives you permission >>>> to copy it. >>>> >>>> Tom >>>> >>>> ** Message From: DJ DOCTOR P ** >>>> >>>>> High Tom, >>>>> I don't do it unless my boss gives me the green light to >>>>> >>>> do it. >>>> >>>>> If he says yes, then I do it. >>>>> But if he says no, then it doesn't happen. >>>>> > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
