>________________________________ > From: "Pagano, Patrick" <[email protected]> >To: Jonathan Wilkes <[email protected]>; Richie Cyngler <[email protected]> >Cc: pd list <[email protected]>; Ben Baker-Smith <[email protected]> >Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 6:33 PM >Subject: RE: [PD] no pd?? WTF ???? > > > >I would not try to crack Max/Msp, nor do any of my students engage in such >poor practices
Do you require them to use Max? >I took a Kyma class in Grad school, it sounded awesome but was way out of my >price range of course > > >From:[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >Jonathan Wilkes >Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 6:24 PM >To: Richie Cyngler >Cc: pd list; Ben Baker-Smith >Subject: Re: [PD] no pd?? WTF ???? > >No, there really are music students out there looking at what they need in >order to be successful, and >when most of the voices around them are aggressively (and often ignorantly) >suggesting only >proprietary tools that cost lots of money, these students save up their meager >resources in order to >buy them. I'm talking about students who are probably already in debt from >loans, and it's quite common >that they max out on their technology budget and as a consequence are unable >to attend a >festival. > >What's even worse is that these constrained options lead to a lot of those >students downloading >cracked copies of proprietary software (and the negative effects there usually >manifest themselves >more quickly and concretely). > >-Jonathan > >> >>________________________________ >> >>From:Richie Cyngler <[email protected]> >>To: Jonathan Wilkes <[email protected]> >>Cc: Ben Baker-Smith <[email protected]>; pd list <[email protected]> >>Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 5:53 PM >>Subject: Re: [PD] no pd?? WTF ???? >>Not a bad point... but, or more likely because they are supporting only those >>artists able to afford such things as expensive software, travel and food. >>On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Jonathan Wilkes <[email protected]> wrote: >>I can't think of a better example of the vicious cycle of software lock-in >>than this. >>They don't have money to offer financial support, so they have to rely on the >>tools >>that they know, which are proprietary and expensive, thus making it even less >>likely >>that a composer would be able to afford to travel to the concert (because >>he/she >>had to spend money on either Max/MSP or Kyma to composer the piece in the >>first >>place). >> >> >>-Jonathan >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Ben Baker-Smith <[email protected]> >>> To: pd list <[email protected]> >>> Cc: >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 4:12 PM >>> Subject: Re: [PD] no pd?? WTF ???? >>> >>> Hi list! >>> >>> I got a more clear response from the organizers on this issue than >>> anything I've seen in this thread so far - here it is: >>> >>>> Hi Ben, >>>> >>>> thanks for your Interest in our Call. >>>> >>>> We accepts only patches made with Kyma or Max/MSP due the fact we are not >>> able to provide >>>> financial support for the two selected composers. So it is possible that >>> they will not be able to be in Milan for the concert. >>>> To avoid technical issues we choose the plattforms we already use in our >>> work or we are very familiar with. >>>> This is the only reason. >>>> If the selected composer can assure us to be available for the concert the >>> can be used any piece of software/hardware. >>>> >>>> I hope this helps. >>>> >>>> Many thanks >>>> >>>> >>>> Federico Placidi >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> [email protected] mailing list >>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>[email protected] mailing list >>UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >> >> >> >> >>-- >>Richie >> > > _______________________________________________ [email protected] mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
