----- Original Message ----- > From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <[email protected]> > To: Jonathan Wilkes <[email protected]> > Cc: Max <[email protected]>; pd list <[email protected]>; Ben > Baker-Smith <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 8:50 PM > Subject: Tooltips in Pd-extended 0.43 WAS: no pd?? WTF ???? > > > On Jan 12, 2012, at 6:56 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: > >> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Max <[email protected]> >>> To: Jonathan Wilkes <[email protected]> >>> Cc: Richie Cyngler <[email protected]>; pd list > <[email protected]>; Ben Baker-Smith <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 7:09 AM >>> Subject: Re: [PD] no pd?? WTF ???? >>> >>> And that's not the end of the vicious cycle. >>> Students who saved their money to buy a Max license are often unwilling > to >>> accept that their work could have been done as easy in Pd, and > sometimes even >>> better and/or easier. >> >> If you think of free >> software as an ethical issue like I do and are talking about free programs > that have a >> proprietary alternative, there is still an important division between those > programs that are >> free and superior to their proprietary counterparts on practical grounds, > and those that >> don't have the same feature set as their proprietary counterparts (but > are still quite good). >> >> In terms of ease of patching, Pd is clearly in the latter camp-- Max has > infinite undo, a >> "Tidy Up" that actually _does_ something useful, and a set of > externals that allows to make >> multiple connections at once and lots of other shortcuts (maybe these are > part of the core now, >> I'm not sure). Plus tooltips, anchors to resize guis/boxes/messages, > and probably lots of >> other things that make patching easier. >> >> I use Pd and free software (almost) exclusively, but we should be clear > about which features >> are available and which are not. > > Excellent point. > > Speaking of, is your tooltips patch fully functional in Pd-extended 0.43? I > believe it is included, right? It would be great to ship with that working.
There was the problem that if you did [loadbang]-[tip 1 blah blah blah(-[s pd-this-canvas.pd] the label doesn't get the right width. I tried using the <<Loaded>> virtual event and it didn't work, and then I think you said that the patch should be finished drawing before <<Loaded>> happens. I could just use after idle or update idletasks but those are heavily critiqued on the tcl wiki... -Jonathan > > .hc > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > "[W]e have invented the technology to eliminate scarcity, but we are > deliberately throwing it away to benefit those who profit from scarcity." > -John Gilmore > _______________________________________________ [email protected] mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
