they are all color profile manipulations independent of grain. if you are
working in black and white, it's luminance profile without color
information. once you capture the dynamic range of the scene, excluding any
specular highlights and intense light sources, it's color profiles. however,
film doesn't react linearly under different color temperatures and other
characteristics of lighting and that means you need a different profile for
each different lighting condition to get identical matching because color
profiles, as they are defined today in software, assume linear response. in
a studio with controlled lighting, you should get a perfect match all the
time. outdoors is more problematic.

if you are working in color and can tell the difference between synthesized
film grain and real film grain, your tool or technique isn't good enough.
Grain Surgery 2 should produce indistinguishable results up to the
resolution limits of your image.

Herb.....
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2003 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: What do you think?


> Go to the West Coast Imaging site and download the EktaSpace profile, and
tell
> me what you think.
>
> Further, the B&W film software that I found does more than just add grain.
It
> captures the subtle differences inherent in a variety of B&W films, such
as
> tonal rendition, heel and toe, and the like.


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