Hi everyone - in regards to this thread, I haven't been following it too
closely, as I thought it was a discussion about film grain.  However, I just
brushed over this and realised that it is relevant to digital too.

I am having a horror of a time with noise using my *istD, at ISO 400, with
all of my skies looking very blotchy.  It is fine whenever there is
variations over the image (eg on the people themselves) but as soon as there
is an expansive area or block of colour it is really noticeable...

I know that you have discussed this recently and probably in this actual
thread, so please don't hate me for asking, but until now it hasn't been
relevant to me and I had "tuned out" these discussions....  So, as Herb
mentioned, Photoshop has basically no tools for noise reduction, except for
the blur tools and these then sacrifice details in areas that I NEED the
detail.  Is there a Photoshop Plug In or other great program that
effectively removes noise from images without sacrificing detail and
quality?  I am using Photoshop CS and Win XP...

Would Grain Surgery assist in this respect or is it more suited just to film
type grain?

TIA,
tan.



Herb Chong wrote:

>i still don't understand Dave's comments since neither PSP 7 nor Photoshop
>include any nosie reduction tools at all unless you call Gaussian Blur such
>a tool.
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>as for display for reduced size images, i find PSP one of the worst
programs
>out there. all of the Photoshop versions do it better on all of my systems.
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>Photoshop Elements does full color management, even version 1.0, but it
>doesn't bother explaining how to do it much. first, you have to run Adobe
>Gamma from Control Panel to set up your monitor properly, but it's very
hard
>to do unless you know your monitor phosphor, white point, and color
>temperature setup. assuming you can get past that, then you have to use a
>color management dialog that is barely explained. however, this is better
>than PSP since it doesn't even bother telling you that you need to do this
>before you can enable color management and assumes that the monitor is
>already calibrated anyway.
>
>Herb....
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Rob Brigham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 6:41 AM
>Subject: RE: Grain Surgery for PS
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>>I find Photoshop really poor at displaying images on screen too.  When
>>not viewing at 1:1 magnification you get REALLY bad Jaggies all over the
>>place whereas PSP is fantastic.
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>>I just this last weekend has another go with Elements 2.0 because I
>>REALLY want to get somewhere with using colour profiles etc, but I just
>>couldn't make head nor tail of how to do this in Elements - do you need
>>full CS to do it properly?
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>>From what I can deduce, I think David's preference for PSP is that the
>>tools for grain reduction are perhaps better than his version of
>>Photoshop.  Personally I only look at grain reduction when scanning and
>>then use the ICE/ROC/GEM built into the Nikon Scanning interface because
>>it is partly hardware based.
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