Herb Photoshop does not come stock with any decent noise tools. Grain Surgery is a plug-in that is used from within Photoshop to reduce grain. Used in combination with the Polaroid dust & scratch removal plug-in you have a pretty good clean up package although I still have less clone work to do on dust spots with PSP used for dust and scratch removal. Paint Shop Pro 7 comes with salt and pepper filter, auto scratch removal, edge preserving smooth. There are several other filters including completely custom ones you can design yourself in PSP. The first 3 listed will remove most grain, dust, and scratches however and not destroy a lot of detail.
No one has argued the point of color management in PSP being poor at all, but it is usually easier to get close to good skin tones or remove color casts in PSP to begin with. I normally had to reopen the file in Photoshop after I finished in PSP to fine tune color. PSP on it's own is probably not a good option. Photoshop on it's own isn't a great option either for dealing with grain. Together they complement each other nicely, separately they each have their strong and weak points. Photoshop has a higher learning curve though. I'm simply trying to describe my workflow and give some of the others out there some ideas to get by with software they may already have. I was given Grain Surgery as a gift and am simply relaying my results. This has all been repeated several times on this thread. Sorry, but if you don't get it by now, I'm done trying to explain. It's really very simple. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Herb Chong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 8:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Grain Surgery for PS i still don't understand Dave's comments since neither PSP 7 nor Photoshop include any nosie reduction tools at all unless you call Gaussian Blur such a tool. as for display for reduced size images, i find PSP one of the worst programs out there. all of the Photoshop versions do it better on all of my systems. Photoshop Elements does full color management, even version 1.0, but it doesn't bother explaining how to do it much. first, you have to run Adobe Gamma from Control Panel to set up your monitor properly, but it's very hard to do unless you know your monitor phosphor, white point, and color temperature setup. assuming you can get past that, then you have to use a color management dialog that is barely explained. however, this is better than PSP since it doesn't even bother telling you that you need to do this before you can enable color management and assumes that the monitor is already calibrated anyway. Herb.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Brigham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 6:41 AM Subject: RE: Grain Surgery for PS > I find Photoshop really poor at displaying images on screen too. When > not viewing at 1:1 magnification you get REALLY bad Jaggies all over the > place whereas PSP is fantastic. > > I just this last weekend has another go with Elements 2.0 because I > REALLY want to get somewhere with using colour profiles etc, but I just > couldn't make head nor tail of how to do this in Elements - do you need > full CS to do it properly? > > From what I can deduce, I think David's preference for PSP is that the > tools for grain reduction are perhaps better than his version of > Photoshop. Personally I only look at grain reduction when scanning and > then use the ICE/ROC/GEM built into the Nikon Scanning interface because > it is partly hardware based.
