Wow, what a nasty bitch you turned out to be. There, is that what you wanted to hear? Do you get a rise out of winding people up? You are not right. The "35mm equivalent" or "this lens becomes that lens" statements are widespread and perfectly correct. They refer to AOV. Nobody is talking focal length. Don't read it literally. The term single lens reflex is not actually correct either as most moderns lenses actually combine a number of lens elements to form the whole - but most people seem to understand that it is nto a literal statement. The same goes for the digital crop factor. 1.5x is not magnification, it is crop. When someone says a 50mm becomes an 85mm they don�t mean literally, they mean the AOV changes to that of an 85mm lens.
I repeat my points because clearly you still do not understand them. If I asked why you only reply to my posts to attack me, I did so because you had already called me a jackass, not the other way round. And yes you have done this before. In fact I am starting to get a feel for who the abusers are on this list (you, Tom C, Greyworld, Peter Alling, Bob W and a few others). Funny how it is the same bunch of folks who tried to censor the dotpis we can discuss here, etc. who now want to control the accepted use of the photo terms . I see a trend developing here ;-) Antonio P.s. The term penis envy was introduced by Greyworld. I don�t see what its place is in a discussion of how the digital crop factor affects AOV. Mine is bigger than yours has nothing to do with it. Anyway it should be "mine is smaller than yours" as that�s what you get (a reduced AOV) when you put a lens on a digital camera. On 15/8/04 12:56 am, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Antonio wrote: >> Yet another abusive post ERN. > > In fact this post was the very first time I have ever addressed "abuse" toward > you, as opposed to telling you that you're wrong. Which any adult recognizes > as > a different thing entirely. > >> However calling someone a Jackass doesnt win an argument, nor >> make you right, it just makes you look abusive. > > No, no. I was already right. And I don't look abusive if I point out what > everyone else here already knows. You're right, it doesn't win an argument. > That wasn't the intent though. Context: You asked why I only reply to your > posts to "attack" you (which is actually not strictly true) and I > replied, "Because you are a jackass." You ask a question, you just might get > an > answer. Next: > >> "50mm becomes xmm on a >> digital camera" is easy enough to understand, as is the 35mm equivalent of >> lens x is y. Both are acceptable phrasing and language > > Repeating the same incorrect information over and over, with or without > complaints of persecution or abuse, and with or without abuse on your part, > does not make you right. Only one of those statements can be accurate. In > another post you state that the number of mm refers to AOV. It can't. > Millimetres, being a unit of length, cannot refer to an angle. They refer to a > focal length and, no matter HOW far you are willing to go to avoid admitting > you're wrong, the focal length doesn't change. > A great many nonsense phrases and words are easy to understand (in context) > but > that does not make them acceptable language. > >> only you, greyworld >> and alling seem to have problems with it. The rest of the web, and some more >> authoritative sites than this seem to use them without a problem. I have not >> misrepresented greyworld at all. > > Who IS this "greyworld" that you aren't misrepresenting? > > Besides, since you can't see the difference between what you're getting right > and what you're getting wrong, perhaps you've failed to notice that the > authoritative sites are just using the right terminology? > > Did you miss the bit that said (and I >> quote): >> >> <<"My 50mm lens becomes 200mm lens is just BS pure and simple. The whole >> thing seems to be a form of penis envy, "Mine is bigger than yours".>> >> >> It is not bullshit as greyworld has said - it means that my 50mm lens >> becomes a xmm lens (i.e. The AOV changes) when you use it on a digital >> camera. > > Yes the angle of view changes and no it doesn't become anything other than a > 50mm lens. You're wrong. Get over it. > And the quote was from Graywolf. > >> >> >> P.s. Penis envy is a term originally applied to women, as they do not have a >> penis of their own ;-). >> > > Orignially applied to women --- BY MEN. > In fact I knew that. > However, as Graywolf said "form of penis envy" and elaborated "Mine is bigger > than yours" that clearly referred to an exclusively male kind of penis envy. > In > my experience this particular area of comparison is only of interest to men. > Women don't give a damn about "relative sizes" of penises.* > > ERN > > *DGA, if you're reading this, my apologies. I know you once provided the > correct plural. Unfortunately I don't remember it. > >
