I have about had it with this insulting "dreamworld" crap. I use everything from old RF cameras like canon QL17s making my settings totally manual by experience only to LARGE FORMAT CAMERAS like 4x5 and 8x10 with zone spotmetering which are about as manual as you can get to P&S cameras like ME Supers and AF digitals etc. I have done action, still lifes, landscapes, etc, etc. I use primes, I use zooms. I KNOW what AE is, I don't use it much but when I want it, I want it. I KNOW the difference between open apeture metering and what it means in low light. You apparently don't. Just because you & a few of your friends are shooting with K.M on a digital with good results doesn't mean it doesn't matter that the k/M lenses are cripped with regards to AE and open apeture metering because they are and it CAN make a difference to real world photographers in some real situations. If open aperture metering and AE didn't matter then it wouldn't have been developed and become the world standard 30 years ago. Just because someone uses manual apeture mode most of the time doesn't mean he doesn't want or need open aperture metering some of the time. Your logic is very flawed. I don't need to buy something to critique it. As far as the "process" goes I do it A LOT already. Its called stop down metered manual, duh? So I don't think you have any right to say that because I don't buy XYZ camera, I don't know what it is or the process because I do. Metered stop down manual is NOT open aperture metered manual or open apeture AE. I am not saying metered stop down manual is invalid or sucks or isnt useful, but its quite different from open apeture AE which is a far more automated when automatation is desired or NEEDED. Ditto for OPEN APERTURE metering, its far better in low light because it can make the difference of whether you get a reading all or not. jco
-----Original Message----- From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 10:28 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Pentax K 2.5/200mm I should probably just butt out, but I'm gonna butt in ... I'm just getting started using K and M lenses on the DS, which, as I understand, is quite similar to the D in the way it uses earlier lenses. Right now I'm finding it a bit cumbersome and difficult, but that's generally the case regardless of whatever new thing it is I try. So I can understand JCO's complaint. But, when long-time photogs like Paul and Bruce and Godfrey and Juan and some others say it's a no-brainer, I've gotta lend some credence to their comments. The thing is, JCO, is that you bring this issue up frequently yet have never tried the procedure, so your comments are more abstract than reality based. Paul and others use the "green button" and they have done some good work using the older lenses. Their's is a reality that essentially shows the concept works simply and well. Perhaps an advantage I have over you is that I know some of these folks personally. We've gone shooting together, shared time together, and I know their work, so it is, and always has been, easier for me to accept that what they say is quite valid. JCO, I'd say that it's time you just put this issue aside - give it a rest here on the list. Either get a DSLR and try the green button approach, and then speak with experience and authority, or just let the rest of the "fools" go about deluding themselves with the knowledge that you know best about such matters. And now it's time for a big bowl of hot and sour soup .... yummmm! Shel > [Original Message] > From: Paul Stenquist > Of course I haven't forgotten. I use FA and A lenses as well. But as > many have said here so many times, the green button quickly becomes an > automatic. It provides quite adequate backward compatibility. The > loudest objections have usually come from those who haven't tried it. > On Sep 17, 2005, at 9:48 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: > > > I don't want to start up again but you DON'T have to do > > that step over and over and over and over and over > > and over and over with fully supported K/M lenses. > > AE is about 30 years old, have you already forgot > > what it its like to NOT have to DO that "little" step?? > > Just because YOU don't mind doesn't mean these lenses > > are fully supported, they WERE with nearly all the K film bodies.....
