NO- I get angry when people say I don't know what I am talking about just because I don't own the particular camera. If you don't care fine, but don't tell me it doesn't matter if you like metered manual because it does. The issue goes far beyond this particular K/M support, the issue becomes a matter of trust with pentax on everything they sell now or in the future because this is unprecedented with them because it the past they never did anything even remotely like this and now they are unreliable with regards to product support and even very expensive well made products like their best top line K/M lenses are being intentionally disregarded with regards to their intended KEY BASIC features WITHOUT VALID CAUSE and without any gain to the customer let alone any substantial gain. It's all loss.... jco
-----Original Message----- From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 7:00 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Pentax K 2.5/200mm JCO, You can bringing this up. Then you get angry when some of us say we don't care. So why do you raise the issue over and over again? Very strange. Paul On Sep 18, 2005, at 12:11 AM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: > I have about had it with this insulting "dreamworld" crap. I use > everything > from > old RF cameras like canon QL17s making my settings totally manual by > experience only > to LARGE FORMAT CAMERAS like 4x5 and 8x10 with zone spotmetering which > are > about as manual as you can > get to P&S cameras like ME Supers and AF digitals etc. I have done > action, > still lifes, landscapes, > etc, etc. I use primes, I use zooms. I KNOW what AE is, I don't use it > much > but > when I want it, I want it. I KNOW the difference between open apeture > metering and what it > means in low light. You apparently don't. Just because you & a few of > your > friends are > shooting with K.M on a digital with good results doesn't mean it > doesn't > matter > that the k/M lenses are cripped with regards to AE and open apeture > metering > because > they are and it CAN make a difference to real world photographers in > some > real situations. > If open aperture metering and AE didn't matter then it wouldn't have > been > developed > and become the world standard 30 years ago. Just because someone uses > manual > apeture > mode most of the time doesn't mean he doesn't want or need open > aperture > metering some of the time. Your logic is very flawed. I don't need to > buy > something to critique it. As far as the "process" goes I do it A LOT > already. > Its called stop down metered manual, duh? So I don't think you have any > right to say that > because I don't buy XYZ camera, I don't know what it is or the process > because I do. > Metered stop down manual is NOT open aperture metered manual or open > apeture > AE. > I am not saying metered stop down manual is invalid or sucks or isnt > useful, > but its quite > different from open apeture AE which is a far more automated when > automatation > is desired or NEEDED. Ditto for OPEN APERTURE metering, its far better > in > low > light because it can make the difference of whether you get a reading > all or > not. > jco > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 10:28 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Pentax K 2.5/200mm > > > I should probably just butt out, but I'm gonna butt in ... > > I'm just getting started using K and M lenses on the DS, which, as I > understand, is quite similar to the D in the way it uses earlier > lenses. Right now I'm finding it a bit cumbersome and difficult, but > that's generally the case regardless of whatever new thing it is I > try. So I can > understand JCO's complaint. But, when long-time photogs like Paul and > Bruce > and Godfrey and Juan and some others say it's a no-brainer, I've gotta > lend > some credence to their comments. > > The thing is, JCO, is that you bring this issue up frequently yet have > never > tried the procedure, so your comments are more abstract than reality > based. > Paul and others use the "green button" and they have done some good > work > using the older lenses. Their's is a reality that essentially shows > the > concept works simply and well. > > Perhaps an advantage I have over you is that I know some of these > folks personally. We've gone shooting together, shared time together, > and I know their work, so it is, and always has been, easier for me to > accept that what > they say is quite valid. > > JCO, I'd say that it's time you just put this issue aside - give it a > rest > here on the list. Either get a DSLR and try the green button > approach, and > then speak with experience and authority, or just let the rest of the > "fools" go about deluding themselves with the knowledge that you know > best > about such matters. > > And now it's time for a big bowl of hot and sour soup .... yummmm! > > Shel > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Paul Stenquist > >> Of course I haven't forgotten. I use FA and A lenses as well. But as >> many have said here so many times, the green button quickly becomes >> an automatic. It provides quite adequate backward compatibility. The >> loudest objections have usually come from those who haven't tried it. > > >> On Sep 17, 2005, at 9:48 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: >> >>> I don't want to start up again but you DON'T have to do that step >>> over and over and over and over and over and over and over with >>> fully supported K/M lenses. AE is about 30 years old, have you >>> already forgot what it its like to NOT have to DO that "little" >>> step?? Just because YOU don't mind doesn't mean these lenses >>> are fully supported, they WERE with nearly all the K film bodies..... > > >
