Hi,

You are correct on all counts, IMO.  Each situation has to be looked at
individually.  The way I handled my situation was based on a few factors -
knowing something about the neighborhood, having a sense of the situation,
knowing something about the small police department, and so on.  In another
situation I may not have offered to show my images.

Recently another list member and I met in San Francisco.  We were in a
shopping area and she was showing me her istDS, and I was taking a few
pics.  Twice i was asked to stop.  Once a security guard asked that I not
take any pics of a store window (!) and I said, "It's OK, there's no film
in the camera." and he was satisfied.  The second occasion a woman who was
operating a small candy and toy stand approached and told me she didn't
want me to photograph her or her stand.  I don't recall what conversation
followed, but the "confrontation" ended with me getting a nice, smiling
portrait of her.

It's amazing what one can accomplish by assessing the situation, remaining
friendly, and being open.  Once you try to prove or make a point, or get
defensive or adamant, egos start to come into play, power struggles begin,
and the situation can escalate.

I'm not suggesting that all these new rules and regulations and attitudes
are acceptable, but often there are ways of dealing with situations that
can keep everything in perspective.

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: John Coyle <

> My twin grand-daughters had their fourth birthday party recently, and I
had 
> no hesitation in shooting just as I normally do.  I had no challenges
from 
> any of the parents of the other children that were there, possibly
because I 
> was introduced to those I didn't know as soon as they arrived.  Same
deal, 
> in fact, on their third birthday, where I did not already know as many of 
> the children and parents.
> I would not expect any hassles in such a family environment, and know
that I 
> would get support from the people who invited me if anyone were so crass
as 
> to object, and I know who would get asked to leave if they were insistent!
> I think, in general, and I have read all of the posts in the recent
mammoth 
> thread, that unless we photographers exercise our right to photograph we 
> will lose it through the ability of the paranoid to make a federal case
out 
> of perfectly innocent activities.  We may have to deal with the
occasional 
> lunatic, such as Daniel Matyola's crazy lady, but we can't let them win! 
As 
> regards officials, on private property we may have no choice but to
comply 
> with a directive to stop photographing, but we do not have to hand over
our 
> film, images or equipment.  When asked by a police officer to hand
equipment 
> over, I am not sure that we may have to determine what the law is in each 
> jurisdiction, as it probably varies: but Shel's most recent experience I 
> think shows that a civil and friendly attitude can make a world of 
> difference to the outcome.


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