Hello Jens,

My personal feeling is that the sensor area is larger than we would
like to think.  Achieving AF within the sensor bounderies (not visible
to us) is all the system is going to do.  Classic problem is when the
sensor area covers something like eyes, nose and ear.  One of them
will be in focus, but not necessarily the one you want.  Stopped down
a bit, it may not show up so much, but with narrow DOF, it does.  I
remember looking at some of my niece's work from a Nikon D1X+AF
80-200/2.8 lens.  I was surprised on close examination how many shots
were off just a touch from what would have been ideal.

I operate from the concept that I only us AF when it can be more
reliable than me.  That equates to a very small percentage of the
time.  Mostly fast moving subjects that are unpredictable in course.
In those cases, there is enough slop in my tracking of the subject, to
more than compensate for the very minor miss by AF due to the large
sensor area.

Anyway, those are my thoughts.

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Monday, December 5, 2005, 2:29:04 PM, you wrote:

JB> Small? 2104 x 1468 can easily fill you screen!
JB> And yoyu're right - it's probably not the lens (although I had great
JB> problems getting sharpness at all at F 2.8 - F3.5:
JB> It may very well be the AF system.

JB> Yes, I use the term when the lens/camera is focusing further away than it
JB> should - that is behind the point where the red square in the viewfinder is.
JB> ASome times at the top or above the little circle that confirmes focus in
JB> the *ist D.
JB> In this shot, I focused at the white streamer (stensikkert.dk) - but look
JB> how sharp the brick wall looks here
JB> http://www.jensbladt.dk/Test/rooms.html

JB> Compared to the second and third shot (made with the FA lens). It can't be
JB> that the Tokina has a LOT better DOF at F. 2.8, can it?  It must be because
JB> the focusing is off. Behind the white board. OR this sample og the lens is
JB> not good.

JB> I find the SMCP FA 2.8/80-200mm ED(IF) quite good, when focused manually.
JB> Regards

JB> Jens Bladt
JB> http://www.jensbladt.dk

JB> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
JB> Fra: graywolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
JB> Sendt: 4. december 2005 22:30
JB> Til: [email protected]
JB> Emne: Re: A better 70-200mm F. 2.8


JB> The photos are rather too small to tell anything from. However, it is
JB> most likely an auto-focus problem, not one with the lenses.

JB> Try manual focus. After you have the proper part of the image in what
JB> you think is correct focus, go look out the window for 5 minutes or so,
JB> then come back and tweek your focus as quickly and exactly as you can.
JB> Now you can take your photo. Do that with the other lenses. Get back to
JB> us with the results.

JB> I would look at every other posibility with focus problems before
JB> blaming the lens.

JB> And by the way, from a technician's point of view back focus problems
JB> means the lens is not focusing the image exactly the flange to film
JB> distance from the lens mount. I do not think that is how you were using
JB> the term.

JB> graywolf
JB> http://www.graywolfphoto.com
JB> "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
JB> -----------------------------------



JB> Jens Bladt wrote:

>>I have been trying out three different lenses in the 70-200mm range.
>>Sigma EX 2.8/70-200mm APO
>>Tokina AT-X Pro 2.8/80-200mm
>>SMCP-FA 2.8/80-200mm ED(IF)
>>
>>All of them seem to suffer from Back Focus. The Sigma not much, though.
>>Had I been offered a used Sigma, I probably would have bought it.
>>
>>I published a small test showing the problem.
>>Due to Back Focus (i BELIEVE), my SMCP F-4-5.6/70-210mm is the sharper one
>>at F. 5.6.
>>
>>Please take a look and feel free to comment:
>>http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/sets/1509814/
>>
>>Regards
>>Jens
>>
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