Appreciate your thorough answer. As it happens, I'd read and re-read
Fuji's on line specs, so am aware of Astia's lower RMS value.
In comparing neg/pos films, I was curious about a structural difference
that would give the advantage to one or the other.
I'm too often guilty of drawing conclusions from statements I only
think I understand. Therefore, let me ask; however insignificant, do
you feel that it's the clear substrate that allows a less grainy image
from a scanned positive?

Jack
--- Gabriel Cain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Jack Davis wrote:
> > I've never heard or read why it seems to be the case, but I, also,
> > realize a poorer image when scanning color negatives than I do when
> > scanning positives. Based on posts to this list, I understanding
> this
> > to be the common experience. At least there appears to be a
> "drudgery"
> > factor associated with negative scanning.
> 
> I find them equally annoying to scan (at home, with a DiMAGE Dual
> Scan IV) :)
> 
> > I was reminded of it today when a deeply experienced lab person
> made an
> > aside comment, "neg scans are always grainier than slide scans".
> > Very difficult, and probably moot at that, to compare RMS factors
> > between the two.
> > I wonder about the results of a grain comparison between Reala 100
> and
> > Provia or Astia 100F.
> 
> Astia 100:
> 
> 18. DIFFUSE RMS GRANULARITY VALUE              ................. 7
>       Micro-densitometer Measurement Aperture: 48 µm in diameter.
>       Sample Density: 1.0 above minimum density.
> 
> 19. RESOLVING POWER
>       Chart Contrast  1.6 : 1 .......................... 60 lines/mm
>       Chart Contrast 1000 : 1 ........................ 140 lines/mm
> 
> Provia 100F:
> 
> 16. DIFFUSE RMS GRANULARITY VALUE                  ............. 8
>       Micro-densitometer Measurement Aperture: 48 µm in diameter.
>       Sample Density: 1.0 above minimum density.
> 
> 17. RESOLVING POWER
>       Chart Contrast   1.6 : 1 ................... 60 lines/mm
>       Chart Contrast 1000 : 1 ................. 140 lines/mm
> 
> Reala 100:
> 
> 12. DIFFUSE RMS GRANULARITY VALUE                 .............. 4
>       Micro-densitometer Measurement Aperture: 48 µm in diameter.
>       Magnification: 12 X.
>       Sample Density: 1.0 above minimum density
> 
> 13. RESOLVING POWER
>       Chart Contrast     1.6 : 1 ................. 63 lines/mm
>       Chart Contrast   1000 : 1 ................. 125 lines/mm
> 
> > I know the lab person well enough not question him about his
> reasons. I
> > would predict a quick flip off remark such as "I see it all the
> time".
> > I predict that I'll soon not be worrying about such things to the
> same
> > extent.
> 
> Another factor to consider is that with slides, there is a clear
> substrate
> that you deal with, but with color neg, there is the shaded mask
> substrate.
> 
> > Anyway, anyone have an opinion or, even better, a conclusive
> answer?
> 
> This data comes from Fuji's online spec documents.  Clearly, Provia
> 100F
> wins for grain size, but only by a little over Astia 100.
> 
> Gabriel
> 
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