> With all due respect Mark ! Double Har - as if this exists here.
Kenneth Waller ----- Original Message ----- From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Pentax 1.8 85mm > John, > I'm tired. I have had it up to my eyeballs with your BS. I've also had > it up to my eyeballs with JCO's. On the other hand while he may be a > one note symphony he has a valid point, that Pentax is being quite > cynical in it's advertising about backward compatibility in marketing > it's DSLRs. I, and a number of others on this list, agree with this > point, to some extent. Most of us have learned to leave him alone when > he starts to rant. The last few responses to his posts on this subject, > have been of the, "I don't need it", "it's not necessary", "it's gone, > get over it", not to mention the oh so eloquent "get lost". All of > which kind of misses the point. After watching the pig pile long > enough, when someone else, in this case me, chimes in that he has a > point, you attack them as well. Because you silence someone doesn't > make them wrong. Now you've decided to ignore the posts that have more > or less said "we don't need it". Well, I've made an offer, if you don't > need the capability of open aperture metering, I'm perfectly willing to > trade a near mint quality lens for a bargain quality one, A bargain A > 35mm f2.0 for a near mint M 35mm f2.0, to make my point. I don't need > auto focus, I'll happily manually focus my "50mm normal equivalent". I > expect no takers because the capability to meter at full aperture is > very desirable. You can't accuse me of not having used the *ist D or Ds > as I own one of each. It's a _pain_ _in_ _the_ _ass_ to switch between > lenses,that work properly (FA, F and A) and those that don't, (heck it's > a pain in the ass to switch between the D and DS but that's another > rant, which could have avoided by buying two D's, so thats my fault). > I'm not saying the K and M lenses don't work, or that when you have time > to use them they can't be rewarding, just that they are a pain in the > ass, especially when you are working fast. Having a raft load of M and > K lenses hasn't stopped me from buying new and used FA, F, and A lenses > to use with my D and DS. Not having done so would apparently disqualify > me from discussing this according to some, but in my case it doesn't. > Maybe JCO is incapable of forming a coherent thought when he's angry, > and he's easy to anger Maybe you think it's fun to bait him. Why > don't you pick on someone your own size for a change. > > With all due respect > > P. J. Alling > > John Forbes wrote: >> As far as I can recall, nobody here has ever said that "the aperture >> simulator is >> totally unnecessary". Almost everybody here would like to have it on a >> DSLR. Nobody is arguing against the AP; they are simply fed up with a >> million posts reiterating the same old argument. >> >> But, like JCO, you seem unable to grasp that fact. >> >> John >> >> >> >> On Fri, 24 Nov 2006 23:29:08 -0000, P. J. Alling >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >>> Just as an aside, to anyone who thinks the aperture simulator is >>> totally unnecessary. I'd love to trade my nearly mint M-35mm f2.0 for >>> the equivalent A lens in bargain condition. Any takers? I though not. >>> >>> John Whittingham wrote: >>> >>>>> I'm sure they weren't trying to deliberately mislead you but logic >>>>> says this is pure BS. Given that a component for registering lens >>>>> aperture position was incorporated in every camera including the >>>>> least expensive for many years. I don't know if it would generate a >>>>> significant number of sales (I don't expect the additional cost to >>>>> incorporate it would be large enough to stymie sales) but it sure >>>>> would make operation of legacy lenses far more natural/intuitive. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Is this the part of the thread where common sense takes over, thanks >>>> Rob. >>>> >>>> Does anyone really think that incorporating support for legacy lenses K >>>> & M >>>> (fully) would stop your average Pentax owner from buying new ones? I >>>> think not >>>> >>>> I've more K, M & A lenses than I can shake a stick at, but I still >>>> bought FA >>>> primes and zooms, now I'm looking for a DA 16-45 or maybe the DA 12- >>>> 24..........oh and perhaps a telephoto with USM, HSM or whatever Pentax >>>> decide to label it in the future. >>>> >>>> John >>>> >>>> ---------- Original Message ----------- >>>> From: "Digital Image Studio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" <pdml@pdml.net> >>>> Sent: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 09:35:45 +1100 >>>> Subject: Re: RE: Pentax 1.8 85mm >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 25/11/06, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> That $35.00 (US currency) is the estimated manufacturing cost per >>>>>> unit >>>>>> that I got from a recently retired Pentax rep. In a normal >>>>>> marketplace, >>>>>> that would translate to about a $150.00-$200.00 retail cost increase >>>>>> to >>>>>> the end user of the equipment. >>>>>> The retail camera marketplace is too competitive to allow that kind >>>>>> of >>>>>> cost increase on consumer level DSLR bodies, which is all Pentax is >>>>>> selling at the moment. >>>>>> Pentax didn't think including it would generate as many sales as >>>>>> having >>>>>> a lower end user price would. >>>>>> Fuckface will disagree, but his connection to reality is tenuous at >>>>>> best. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> I'm sure they weren't trying to deliberately mislead you but logic >>>>> says this is pure BS. Given that a component for registering lens >>>>> aperture position was incorporated in every camera including the >>>>> least expensive for many years. I don't know if it would generate a >>>>> significant number of sales (I don't expect the additional cost to >>>>> incorporate it would be large enough to stymie sales) but it sure >>>>> would make operation of legacy lenses far more natural/intuitive. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Rob Studdert >>>>> HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA >>>>> Tel +61-2-9554-4110 >>>>> UTC(GMT) +10 Hours >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ >>>>> Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>> PDML@pdml.net >>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>>> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> >>>> ------------------------ >>>> >>>> >>>>> The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom >>>>> it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >>>>> material. 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