Pentax could have made iso 1600 "cleaner" by imposing more aggressive
noise reduction.  However, that would have been at the expense of
detail and I think they make the correct choice.

On 12/21/06, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I won't argue that 1st point... I was objecting to the statement that Pentax
> "decided not to obliterate all the noise and allow some character to show".
>
> I'm sure they wanted it as noise-free as possible.
>
>
>
> Tom C.
>
>
> >From: Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]>
> >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]>
> >Subject: Re: PESO; A smoke on the sidewalk
> >Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 17:43:52 -0500
> >
> >But you're going to have noise at 1600 regardless. So if you can make
> >it look more like grain than noise, it's a plus. However, that being
> >said, the K10 is no noisier at 1600 than the D, but the look is a bit
> >nicer. Quite an achievement, I'd say.
> >Paul
> >On Dec 21, 2006, at 5:07 PM, Tom C wrote:
> >
> > > Yes very nice to leave crap lying around in the image... Thanks
> > > Pentax,
> > > you're managing to reverse 100 years of technology advancements in
> > > the field
> > > of photography.  :-)
> > >
> > > Grain has never been the overwhelming desire in the manufacture of
> > > film or
> > > printing of images except in those relatively rare cases where it's
> > > used to
> > > an artistic advantage.  Other than that it's reduction has been the
> > > holy
> > > grail.
> > >
> > > Come on Shel...
> > >
> > > Tom C.
> > >
> > >
> > >> From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]>
> > >> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" <[email protected]>
> > >> Subject: RE: PESO; A smoke on the sidewalk
> > >> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 04:36:33 -0800
> > >>
> > >> Oh, almost forgot .... I really like the grain on this one.  Very
> > >> nice the
> > >> way Pentax has decided not to obliterate all the noise and allow some
> > >> character to show in the images.
> > >>
> > >> Shel
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> [Original Message]
> > >>> From: Paul Stenquist
> > >>
> > >>> K10D, DA 50-200 at 200mm. I set my K10D at f6.3, 1/200th. Put the
> > >>> camera in TAV mode and let it select the sensitivity. This shot
> > >>> came in
> > >>> at ISO 1600. Converted to BW in the channel mixture. I like this
> > >>> shooting mode. Would not have wanted to think about ISO when I
> > >>> pulled
> > >>> the trigger on this. But knew what kind of shutter speed and
> > >>> aperture I
> > >>> wanted. Just an average shot of someone on the street, but a good
> > >>> experiment in regard to how I want to work with this camera in these
> > >>> kinds of situations.
> > >>> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5358043
> > >>>
> > >>> Paul
> > >>>
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